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rabbiofberlin
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The arguments of some of the posters here defy logic and they will always find a way of twisting the facts to justify their opinions. It is too tiresome to answer every single argument (although health takes the cake for calling the german jews anusim…last time I looked ,they were big on reform..).

To mdd and others: can you please show me the quote in gemoro that says that only learning torah will always protect klal yisroel? If this were so, then why didn’t the chachomim over the many centuries insist on kollelim everywhere for everyone? No one ever asked that- until the last fifty years. The basic fact about learning is the following: “kovea itim latorah” do whatever is asked of you. No one expects people to learn forever (see gemoro berochos 35B)and the catastrophes of the past have come in many various times, whether there was torah (second bayis) or not (maybe germany 1933?). the tosofos yom tov may have said what he said but then this is his opinion, not necessarily what is real. The gemoro asked long time ago abot “zaddik vera lo” without a conclusive answer.Same here. No one has an asnwer about the HOlocaust ,not even the satmarer rebbe or Rav teichtel ,to take both sides of the argument. The basic fact is that there is a lot of torah in israel today (thanks to the zionists!!)and this wil not diminish. The adjustments will make sure that only those who are real “learners” stay in learning and everyone else makes a decent lving.