ifti99:
“don’t even bother to reply”
That could be the best idea I’ve heard yet on this thread. I’ve said what I have to say, and I’m getting tired of going in circles.
LF:
“However do you really think that without a Jewish Government in Israel millions of Jewish immigrants including the vast vast majority of the Chareidi Families there would have been allowed to settle there??(Only a very small percentage of the Chareidim there now are decendents of people who came in the 18th century and earlier.)
Do you think countries like turkey would welcome Jewish immigrants from all over the world and give them a place to live??”
So they would’ve all gone to America. Big whoop.
“Can you not see how someone could look at events like the holocaust were entire yeshivas were killed out WHILE they learned and every other country closed their borders to the escaping Jews and conclude that it is prudent to establish a place that will open its borders to all Jews and provide an Army to protect them??”
Do you really think that the IDF would have been able to stop the Nazis? It took half the world to defeat the superpower that Germany was; a small army like the IDF wouldn’t have stood a chance. All that the existence of a Jewish State would have done is put all the Nazi’s targets in one place.
truthsharer:
“Lakewood Fellow, they weren’t killed. They were learning Torah and we learned on YWN that learning Torah is the ONLY hishtadlus you need.”
Nobody is claiming that somebody who learns is guaranteed that everything will go his way. But it definitely helps.
Torah is not the only hishtadlus you need. However, it does give those who learn it tremendous zechuyos, and those zechuyos may very well help tip the scale in your favor.