yichusdik -“Health – you and I have gone around and around on this a million times. I’m not going to change your mind, and you won’t change mine.”
The difference is you use every oppurtunity to put down Charedi Judaism. You saw this topic and seized the moment to curse us out with your propaganda. I only came to this topic to defend Charedi Judaism. I don’t look for every oppurtunity to curse out Mizrachists and/or Zionists.
“But I would like to clarify for you that I’ve had opportunity to talk with Politicians from across the spectrum over the years, including Shimon Peres, Bibi, Yitzchak Herzog from Labour, Natan Sharansky when he was an MK and minister with Yisrael B’Aliyah, Yael Dayan from Meretz, Ehud Olmert from Kadima, and many others. At the time I discussed these matters with many of them, they were all open to alternative suggestions, provided the commitment was made for some kind of service, be it in Chareidi units in the IDF, chareidi affiliated Hesder yeshivos, Sherut work in hospitals, schools, and absorbtion centers, etc. The fact that Plesner came back so harshly is at least in large part due to the rejectionist approach of most of the chareidi leadership to even discussing possible alternatives.”
Enough with your double talk and propaganda. You live there so you know better than me how that Gov. works. They have a coalition of MK’s that make up the Gov. This Gov. made a commitee to discuss extending the Tal law. This commitee fell apart -could be in part of this disagreement of whether Charedim can do alternative service or not. As of right now, the Defense minister said since there is no Tal law -he must now draft Charedim.
You can only ask -“What’s wrong with them doing other services for the State instead of Army service?” if there is such a law.
In this case our Gedolim might say Yes or they might say No.
But what you are doing is finding fault with Charedim when such an option doesn’t even exist in Israeli law! I don’t care if you told me every MK in the Knesset would vote for this -I’ll believe it when I see it. Who do you think you’re fooling besides yourself with your posts? All politicians are liars and Israeli ones are also. How many politicians do you know kept all their election/campaign promises? So they all told you that over the years – so what? When they make it into law and the Charedim don’t agree even to that -then you can come here cursing us out. But I’m sure you’d be wrong because we do things because of Daas Torah and IF Daas Torah told us not to do Alternative service -they would have a good reason!