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you mean the flag stuffing? maybe your right. that much ill give you. you named a wide range of rabbonim, from the yu crowd to chassidish, as im sure you know. if youd like to know what the yeshivish/right wing rabbonim would say, id think theyd listen to what their gedolim are saying. like saying avinu malkeinu during shacharis and mincha for the next ten days to be mivatel this gzeira rah. Heck, even R ovadia said so, and he isnt known to be on the yeshivish spectrum at all. and liberal narrow mindedness could be understood with a bit of kishrin. it means that if you decide to be mishabed your train of thought to the tide of liberalness sweeping the modern world, you will be close minded to the approach of our gedoley oilam who view all things as per torah hashkafa. hate is a word to be understood before you decide when its necessary. we are told to hate the evil deeds of reshaim, and trying to force people to go against psakim from their rabbonim, with the likely result being a lower standard of observance of yiddishkeit, and the exposure of the nations holiest to things they couldnt imagine pre-induction, is something to be hated. the mind frame that causes people to think they are doing the will of Hashem, while in reality allying themselves with reshaim who seek to abolish all forms of torah and mitzvos, is one to be decried and likewise abhored. i once heard in a weekly parshah shiur on the subject of zimri being oiver his aveirah of kannoim pogim bo, that zimri was having kavanos for tikun haoilam and other worthy causes. needless to say he was mistaken, and pinchas was zocheh to brisi shalom as a result. sometimes things that look like an act of murder cant be understood except by those who are truly in tune with the will of Hashem, and are in truth acts to preserve shalom. emotions of the layman neednt and indeed shouldnt be involved.