In terms of being motzi laz on you, the statement you brought was exactly my point.
“How could you call something good when they just had an article promoting Alcoholism?”
You are telling people how can they call the magazine good if they promoting Alcoholism when in reality the magazine never did. You never read the article so did not realize this.
“And why not? Everytime you go on the Net you are Oiver an Issur – obviously acc. to you – you are also Oiver an Issur everytime you light up or drink -not for a Mtzva.”
Gedolim say that when you are on the internet alone it’s a Yichud problem. People are looking at innapropriate pictures, marriages are broken, it has led to eishes eish problems, people go off the derech, gambling, and many other problems which I would not like to write out. It could lead to very severe issurim which are much greater than smoking and drinking. Every single Yid is immune to this.
You can drink once in a while and it is not a problem. If done in the right way with the right amount it is fine and could even be beneficial to you. I do not believe you are oiver anything if you drink not for a Mitzvah (unless you take it to far), but I may be wrong. A lot of the drinking problems come anyway because it was started for a Mitzvah. Usually the problems are started at weddings (which guys do because they want to be mesameach the chosson and kallah more but gets taken to far), shalom zachors (which is probably not a Mitzvah to drink at but for some reason as become a “minhag” and I would agree with you should be stopped), Purim (Yes, if done properly is a Mitzvah), etc.
Smoking, yes, is probably an issur of ushemardem ul es nafshoshechem, but again I do not believe it is as bad an issur as arayos, etc.
“Really – not the impression I get? Most Yeshivos will throw out if you have the Net, but not if you smoke or drink.”
I actually do not believe that is the case. Most Yeshivos will not throw you out because of internet. More Yeshivos I think will throw you out for smoking then internet. Many bochrim have smartphones, blackberrys, etc. which all have internet and they are still in Yeshiva.
“Any Statistics to back this up? I’m assuming when you write Jews you mean Frum ones.”
No, I do not have statistics but I think anyone will tell you that. Most people have internet either at home, on their phone, work, etc. The ones with drinking and smoking problems are mainly Yeshiva bochrim. And yes, I mean frum Jews.
“And these people who support these mags think that the Internet is the only thing where you are being exposed to bad things. Why isn’t there an Asifa against Alcoholism & the mags that promote it? I know they would never have an Asifa against smoking – that they could never do -it wouldn’t be PC!”
I just didn”t get why you are speaking about the magazines when you refer to the Asifah. They are just promoting what the Gedolim said. The person behind the Asifah was someone named R’ Matisyahu Salamon not any editor of a magazine. If you have a problem then speak to him or the other Gedolim.
“Stop with they would do it but they have to pick something first because smoking has been around a lot longer than any internet and if they wanted to make an Asifa – they had ample opportunity way beforehand.”
Maybe R’ Matisyahu Salamon or someone else didn’t think of the idea until now? Once they thought of it, they decided to pick the problem that is affecting the entire Jewish community as oppossed to something that mainly targets bochrim.
The internet is also something that is a very tricky area because people need it for numerous things and the world runs by the it nowadays. Smoking and drinking no one needs. As many times as you tell guys to stop and no matter what way you do it, the people who don’t want to listen will not. Many people will listen to putting on a filter if they realize the damage it could do to them without sacrificing the good things that the internet provides them with.