aries and others: no reaction to my point above about more video surveillance cams?
Also: Try not to give up on the debate and continue to respect each other despite the heatedness of the opinions as there may be others like myself who are familiar with what goes on regarding this issue outside the frum olam and take inspiration from the way this process is going. Hashem should bless you all with harchavas hadas v’kul tuv.