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IS- i dont know why you found my remark offensive. it is common knowledg (yes, i know this is the typical uneducated way of arguing but i have no koiach to start thinking its nearly midnight) that MO usurped certain gedolim of their positions and posited that they were MO, even when many examples of these gedolims positions are clearly at odds with MO. most notably the netziv and r shamshon r hirsch. im sure youll give me a long reply (if youll deign to, after all im but a kollel yungerman and maybe not worthy of reply) citing examples of how MO didnt skew their hashkafos and its the chareidim that did blah blah blah, thats ok. i just want to point out that id have an easier time convincing you that that toeva laws are within my rights more readily than learning in kollel, and thats a problem.