Reply To: Derech Eretz Kadmah LaTorah Home › Forums › Rants › Derech Eretz Kadmah LaTorah › Reply To: Derech Eretz Kadmah LaTorah July 22, 2011 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #789523 Pac-ManMember I’m waiting for optimus to explain this as there is no Torah (r”l) and therefore everything comes before the Torah.