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Daas: The ???? ????? ???’, ??? ???”? you repeatedly refer to are all discussing the same specific case of a worm ???? in a live animal that is ??? ??? ???. This does not create a ?”? ???.You have acknowledged that ?????? there are grounds to say ???? is different, and you have never explained any reason or proof that this rule mentioned specifically by ??? ??? ??? should apply to other halachos as well.

” The point is that you ALSO need to wait six hours after wormy cheese”

You’re making a mistake, the ??”? holds that you ONLY wait 6 hours if you eat the worms.

The ??”? ???? ?”? is based on the words of the Taz that only wormy cheese needs 6 hours. As I have already explained, the ??”? surprisingly understands that even when wormy the cheese itself does not become ???? ??? and one must eat the worms. You understand the ??”? means one ONLY needs to eat worms even without cheese and therefore it must be that the worms become milchig, however it could just as well mean that one must ALSO eat the worms in addition to the cheese and the worms do NOT become milchig. So even according to the ??”? it is not ???? that the worms get the din of their host. Even if he would mean the way you understood, there is no ???? to say such a ????? unless you hold like the Taz that worms are necessary and also understand like the ??”? that it is not enough to eat just the wormy cheese. The Poskim I mentioned, and we can add to the list the ???? ????? ????? ???, all hold that we must wait after cheese even if it is not wormy or even if we don’t eat the worms. According to them there is no ???? to say the ??”?’s ????? at all, whatever it is. So this ??”? is certainly NO proof to a general rule of acquiring the host’s status.

Re ???? ???????: I asked you for sources that 30 or 50 microns is considered ???? ???????, you posted a number of links. None of the links you posted mentioned any such psak, the closest thing I saw there was that the OU approves of a filter rated 50 microns, meaning it catches 85% of particle 50 microns or larger. If that is their standard they apparently are not concerned about copepods even somewhat larger than 50 microns. However a number of the articles mentioned that the size range of the copepods in NY water ranges between 100 and 1400 microns, the smaller ones were described as being certainly NOT ???? ??????? and the large ones were the subject of a ?????? ???????. I don’t see any consensus to consider even 50 microns ???? ???????.

In any event, the anisakis when they hatch are only 14 microns wide, and at a length of 200-300 microns it seems straightforward that they are certainly NOT ???? ??????? and that we certainly DO have a ???? ??????? ?????.

While there very well MAY be even Ashkenazi Poskim who do not pasken like the Rema to permit all worms in ???? ?????? ????, I am not aware of any other then the ???? ?????. The?”? ??”? ???”? agree with the Rema, so it would be difficult to say that one who eats a fish infested with anisakis is ???? ?? ????? ????????. After all ??? ????? ?????? ??? ??”?.

” Simple. When it is ????, it is a ??? ????? ?? ????. As far as the anisakis, ??”?. If it’s a ????, it’s ???? as a ??? ????. If not, it’s still a crustacean (in ???.)”

Huh?