seeallsides – You’re not seeing all sides! You just see your side of a yungerman or his wife living off others!
<<< I am not a yungerman or his wife living off others – i am the working person supporting quite a large family, and i see that they appreciate every penny given them, and are learning amazing, and i really am very proud- it’s not that there aren’t exceptions, but most of the learning couples that i know are very mistapek b’muat,and i know a lot of them, really appreciate their parent’s sacrifice very much.
I certainly AM crying with emotion over that AND the lack of Midos and Derech Eretz that many of these kids have when dealing with their parents, despite being Torah scholars!!! A person of importance once said to me, Halevei Midos would go hand in hand with learning Torah. But it’s all totally, or mostly, the parents fault for not inculcating Midos, right?
<<<< we can all improve our middos and derech eretz, but i don’t think that the predominant people that are guilty of lack of middos etc are the ones sitting and learning
Seeallsides,
That’s not the point. I have no problem with a person who wants to spend his money supporting kollel.
My problem is when the “kids” demand it as if it’s their right to be supported. It’s not their right. Demanding the money as if it’s owed to you is simply a display of appalling manners.
<<<< thank you for seeing my point, i too, in turn, see yours
As I said, Of course, there are some difficult situations, there always will be. Kids should always be appreciative, I don’t think that it is kollel kids who are unique in this lack.