Oomis, I read your outrageous post again. ” Some would not consider them tsniusdig…”. The Torah standards, the Halocha do not change!! According to you, it is shayach to wear a bathing suit in front of men and still be a tsanua — this beyond anything! “
Clearly you misunderstood everything I posted. According to ME is not the issue. I don’t do it. But I tried to make the point that not everything is black and white and there is a concept of tznius that is NOT about the skirt length. We follow certain rules now that fifty years ago were not followed by mainstream frum people. Would you argue that if one’s mother did not cover her hair that she was not a tzniusdig person at that time? If you say yes to that, then we have no place where we can dialogue about this issue.
Girls can be very tzniusdig in their behavior, yet dress in a way that you might find offensive. Their understanding of the concept of tznius in clothing is not consistent with the halacha as most of us follow it now. Though you are correct that the Torah does not change, our understanding of it sometimes does vary somewhat from rov to rov, from societal group to societal group, and from neighborhood to neighborhood. There are some people who believe that women MUST wear seamed stockings, or a hat on top of a shaitel. There are men who would not be seen in a hat other than a black one, or in a colored shirt. Are those who dress differently from them, untzniusdig? They believe that what they are doing is the only right thing to do.
Many people here are trashing some girls’ TOTAL tznius, based on only one aspect of their tznius. BTW, mdd, what people did 40 years ago was not “terrible,” as you say (that’s a really judgmental word against people who remained frum in extremely difficult times). By TODAY’S standards, it may have been less strict, but not terible by any means. A lot of things were done in those days that rabbonim do not accept today, i.e. using baby carriages in a place where there is no eruv. It is not a case of TERRIBLE. It is that we understand things in a different way than we did then. We know more about kashrus, about physics, the way the human body functions, and we also have moved more to the right in recent decades, so that which was the norm a long time ago, no longer is.
You truly misunderstood every point I was making. I don;t know if you are a child of the 1950s, but if you were, you would have “gotten” what I was saying.