missme: a missing word made my previous post have the opposite connotation.
I was saying that men should not super focus on tznius issues. The yetzer hara either gets you to talk about women directly, or it gets you to talk about the same things indirectly. The talk is almost identical, only that the “frum” version has the twist of demonizing the errant ones.
These are women issues. There is a special kedusha Hashem gave to the beis medrash, which allows one to cover these issues in purity. The gemarah clearly says that you should drag the yetzer hara into the beis medrash. He has no power there in its kedusha.
But when the topic is in the street, it’s total yetzer hara, whether it sounds frum or not.
In my oppinion, a public drasha even in shul does not qualify as a beis medrash learning session. These matters are best dealt with by women for women and sometimes by rabbonim for women.
In the real gutter, however, there is no excuse. And the more “frum” it sounds, the more anger and repressed tayva it represents.