WolfishMusings: The post in question wasn’t intended to “answer” your philosophical statement (it wasn’t even in the form of a question.)
OK, let’s try this again.
Back on page 1, you agreed with “says who” when (s)he said that the definition of frum is keeping the 613 mitzvos. Purposely not keeping one of them causes a person to cease being frum.
You also indicated that keeping the mitzvos d’rabbanan is included in the 613 mitzvos.
I then responded pointing out that people who learn during Chazaras HaShatz are *purposely* ignoring a d’rabbanan. As such they should no longer be considered frum by your definition.
Your response was that perhaps they are doing it out of ignorance and hence should still be considered frum.
My rejoinder to that is that if failing to keep a mitzvah (or mitzvos) out of ignorance is enough to keep one in the “frum” community, then there are millions of Jews worldwide who should be considered frum, according to your definition, since their failure to keep the mitzvos is out of ignorance.
Obviously (or perhaps not — correct me on this if I’m wrong) you wouldn’t consider them frum.
If that’s the case, why do people who purposely learn during Chazaras HaShatz get a “pass” because it’s out of ignorance, but millions of unaffiliated Jews do not when their ignorance is probably much greater?
The Wolf