feif un- I don’t get your comments. I know all about wine. As far as I know, chamar medunah is allowed for havdalah and also for kiddush on shabbos morning. I questioned your assertion that you have to walk a mile to find it. I mentioned that many people use “jash”- liquor on shabbos morning even though wine is present and some chassidische rebbes even preferred it to wine on shabbos morning.
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