Reply To: Toeiva

Tzippi, to me the name is not important – marriage, union, its all the same concept. Its more about certain rights/benefits granted to those with marriages and unions (tax benefits, inheritence etc). Most conservatives are against giving those rights to toeiva couples.

I agree 100% with the discussion on it being an abomination. It disgusts me and I don’t think we SHOULD be legitimizing toeiva. However, I am not sure if marriages/unions really make it more acceptable or just give tax benefits to these people. Even though society as a whole is against toeiva, we still give them rights (discrimination laws etc)which already says that we accept them into society. [we being the general we, not the specific]

Pashuteh Yid, I may be the minority in this, but I do believe some people are born with the desire for toeiva. We all are given different struggles in life to overcome, and I think some people are given this one. However, a person is supposed to try to overcome their challenges, no matter how hard they are.

We ask for a lot of religious freedom in this country. Shechita is constantly under attack. If this country feels that we are being cruel to animals in the way we kill them, why should they allow it? After all, animal cruelty sort of falls under aver min ha-chai, which is one of their basic laws to follow.