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bored@work, see the problem si you think you are getting it but not quite, well I guess you have to live through it to really chop whats going on, maybe I have a different pesspective if Hashem would be happy about this and the Hashem I know would be, because we are trying to do something for the good and not just sit here idly and wait till these teens going through the trobules now have grandchildren who go off and we can do easier kiruv work with them than bother ourselves and get our hands a little dirt in the not most comfortable situations and environments. One of the main reasons I became frum again even though I have so many problems with it and every day is a constant struggle, was to help the kids in my position, I understand them which I feel very few people do and I want to help them but I cant do it alone, people need to open up their eyes and realize whats happening, I would tell personal stories but I dont even know what that would accomplish because when you want to deny something it doesnt matter whats presented, people will ignore it regardless. I will try a few more times but otherwise I am going to give up on these kids and me