Think BIG, thanks for your input. BTW, a little humor can be a lifesaver…..without being insulting…
Anyway, in many ways, your position (if it is close to the agudah view)is a lot closer to mine than you imagine. All the talk about zionism is truly a moot point now. Today, we have- beli ayin horah and ken yirbu – over five million Jews in Eretz hakodesh. They vast majority of frum yidden are involved in the “medinah” and I could not care less if you say hallel on yom ha-atzmaut or wave the flag as long as you live in Israel and participate fully in its daily life. Yes, I have problems with the multitude of kollelim and the fact that most (not all) chareidim do not become part of the army and other facets of Jewish life. But that is a different quibble. All in all, you and I do not live there and for that I have tremendous respect for every Jew who lives in Eretz Yisroel.
The argument about Arab rule is also a misnomer. What did you want, that the jews in Russia and Poland and Lithuania continue to suffer under the tsar? or go to the (then) treife medinah?? Obviously, the talmidei habaal shem tov and also the talmide hagro moved to Eretz yisroel because of the mitzvah and because they were able to escape the terrible conditions of then Europe. So, the historical perspective is quite different if you look at the actual conditions that ruled Jewish life in Europe.
My point is simple. Unless you suscribe to shittas Satmar that the medinah is illegal, treif,etc..the argument about classical Zionism is in the past and only of historical interest. As time goes on,the Heimishe yidden in Eretz Yisroel will become more and more part of the fabric of Israeli society and the old arguments about zionism will die out. We will have new challenges about HOW the medinah should be fashioned but then,what else is new?
And, as I am always interested in intelligent opinions so I will check out your writing about emunas chachomim.