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rabbiofberlin
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oy—notpashut-

Why,oh,why, do my very temperate words provoke such strong answer from you??? When did I ever ,EVER, bash chareidim?? If an honest difference of opinion is considered “bashing”, then we are REALLY in trouble as a people.

Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai had tremendous machlokes ,yet one didn’t call the other one “basher”. The Rambam had many detractors but none of them insulted him or called him ‘basher”.

Only in recent times has this phenonenom taken hold-that any deviance from a certain line of belief is considered so beyond the pale that it means “bashing” the chareidim. I am truly sad to say it but this is in line with the new belief in “daas torah” which cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion.

And your retort about gedolei olam not suscribing to both of these shittas (chabad and rav kook), you are fully entitled to follow those gedolim. I am also fully entitled to follow my gedolim and these do include the Lubavitcher rebbe zz’l and Rav Kook zz’l.

If the facts are so that ahavas ysroel is not present- then this is not bashing, just a matter of actual fact. There are plenty of chareidim who are fully engaged in ahavas ysroel, whether it is Rav Grossman or whether it is chabad, or the outreach organizations.

But when you start rejecting prefectly good geirim because you have a political agenda or you call people who rely upon a certain eiruv ‘mechallelei shabbos” because they carry on shabbos, or you refuse to search for a hetter for agunos when the need is so dire,well, this is a lack of ahavas yisroel..

I am not bashing anyone nor can you show that I ‘bash’ anyone. I accept the chareidi olam (I am one of them)and I am pretty well accepted by them. My dispute is with the view that the world can only live on chumros, patently a false assumption.