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to “i can only try” page 2 try..in the meantime we dont see you give tochceh altogether..you side with..”oisvai torah yehallelelu…v’shimorei torah yisgeru bom” you say “comdemnation”, we comdem people? “yitamu chatoim,vlo chotim” br. 10a we point out what we think is against halacha of the issue discussed,mir(ok ,now mr illini07?).and bring reyous,we(mir) maybe wrong but if yes refute with reyous al pi halacha ,gemmorah, not opinions. for you its condemnation.. because the truth hurts so what should we do. so, young man, for pashute elemntary svarah we dont have to run to my rov and ask…(what?t to point out what we said in this post is allowed?are you a immature child that you cant undertand this? that we have to run to my rov and ask?