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Bentzy18
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Ok Zevi it’s time to break out the chumash and separate opinion from fact.

First all of us ignorant folks here have a posuk in the Chumash where Hashem gave all of mankind the right to eat animals due to the fact mankind was responsible for saving them. Nothing to do with the lack of vegetation. (In fact Hashem gave a special bracha to the vegetation after the mabul of which Noach first planted a vineyard, got drunk and wound up cursing his grandson as a result of what was done to him in his drunken state.) Hashem takes care of the needs of all living creatures and would not have to change a law to provide for his creatures. So that logic just went out the window. Besides if there was 2 of each kind of non kosher and 7 of the kosher (minus the korbonos that Noach offered) there wouldn’t be much left to repopulate the animal kingdom)

Ok, back to the world where animal and mankind lived in peace with each other…..ummm when did that happen? Only for a few hours in Gan Eden did such a world exist but alas Adom sinned and was kicked out. From that point and on mankind degraded to the point where immorality took over and it perverted animal and nature in kind. Hashem waiting so ever patiently for mankind to be the worthy of one day getting the Torah, failed it’s mission and was destroyed leaving only Noach, his wife, 3 sons and 3 daughter-in-laws.

Ok, next, why would Hashem say it’s Ok to eat meat with countless halochos connected to it if we shouldn’t . Mitzvohs were given for our benefit to strengthen our neshomos. So with every shechitah, and the mitzvah of covering the blood, and making a bracha before we eat, and so on we are improving ourselves…. so to say we shouldn’t just doesn’t add up. This is an opinion which has no source. Mankind inability to eat before hand is not a proof that Hashem doesn’t want us to eat meat. I can say just as easily, that mankind was not on the level yet where they could eat meat and therefore they were denied that right to do so, when Noach built the tevia and saved their lives (not to mention took care of them 24/7 in the tevia) mankind was elevated through that act and thus now worthy.

The fact that we are worthy is because we are descendants of Noach and thus get the same benefits (and also the same fact that the animals owe their existence to us as well since if we were to stop learning Torah the world would no longer exist)

Ok lets talk about factory farming. I disagree on what you feel is torture. There is a big difference between kicking an animal then having it live in cramped quarters. Once I’m given the right to eat animal for food I am also allowed to make provisions to mass produce and market them and their meat on a large scale. Soul or no soul they are on a different level of existence and we were given the right to eat them. I have taken the time the past few weeks to speak with several people who work on farms and slaughter houses and I have not heard of anything horrific or close to torture. Yes visions of cows and chickens running in large pastures gently eating the grass and hay is a wonderful thought, yet it’s not a reality for most animals even in nature. So you are entitled to your opinion of what you think Hashem would think, but until you have a source of some sort it doesn’t make it so. ( I also don’t know if the cows care all that much or even have the capacity to care, about their living arrangements.) Plus I would like to see data of places where the diet causes problems for their digestion.

Ok next issue testing on animals…..I would like to see where you get your facts but if you ever met someone who has diabetes, the fact that they are alive is due to the efforts of several dogs who gave up their lives after they had their pancreas removed and thus started the focus on administering insulin into blood. (over a hundred years ago) Plus yes animals are different, but enable us to learn treatments that have resulted in lifesaving vaccines and treatments. The research on cancer and Alzheimer would never progressed to their present day levels without testing on animals.

Next I am going to conclude as well that as a G-d fearing and religious Jew (following in the steps of thousands of years of Tzaddikim who eat meat) I will eat my meat on Shabbos to elevate the seudah to something more special, I will also eat my meat and make a bracha on it which will then physically and spiritually elevate my body when I eat it. I as well as millions of others will become all the much greater for it, be better Jews, and get closer to Hashem as a result. (despite your opinion of what makes a person a good Jew)