joseph, i can prove you wrong very simply. the jews knew what was coming, that is why my grandparents got the heck out. they were here in america before teh war started because they saw the anti semitism getting worse after ww1. thats both sides, hailing from hungary, belarus, lithunia, and poland. so all my grandparents knew to get out. how? because they used their judgement. that is all that was said. that just because reabbonim in their communitites said to stay, they didnt, because it wasnt halacha to listen, as it was in the spirit of suggestion. they chose, thank god, not to listen, and left. what was being said was that what rabbonim say, when not in regard to halachic practice, does not have to be listened to on the same level as a halchic decsion. this was common practice until very very recently, past 20 years or so. this whole nonsense of rabbonim not making mistakes reaks of christianity, and must be stopped dead in its tracks. its thuggish, and keneged halacha, to tell people because they dont want to listen to the “advice” of a rov, that they are not following halacha.
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