well, a quick comment to joseph about the so-called laughter of those mosdos….Sorry to disabuse you, but I HAVE talked to many of these yidden (gerrer chassidim. vishnizter chassidim ,mirrer jungeleit…etc) and “peh echod’, they will echo MY words in reference to the medinah. You are correct that they would not conside themselves “zionists” in the traditional sense, but ALL are steadfast in their support of the “medinah”,building the mosdos hatorah and trying to spread yiddishkeit. Some of them even have read Rav KOOK….
My view may sound “unconventional” to you but Eretz Yisroel has been unconventional for decades now….I prefer to look at the results and I don’t get too hung up on labels..
Your comparison to Rav chaim Sonnenfeld is spurious because he was niftar long before the medinah and who knows what he would have said? For your information, his relationship to Rav Kook was very cordial.
As far as the Satmarer rebbe and the neturei karta go, there you are right. They cannot be considered crypto-zionists at all. Remember, reb Joelish zz’l told his chassidim in the fifties to LEAVE Eretz Yisroel.I know because I knew some of them! He was implacably opposed to the medinah and he was never for building anything there and satmar still has not built much there, unlike Ger and Vishnitz and Belz,etc. the same goes for the neturei karta,even the old “sane” neturei karta, who was content to live under Turkish rule.
As an aside, do you realize that hundreds of original jerushalmis left Meah Sheorim to fight in the 1948 war? And many,many more have rejected the “neturei karta”s extremist (to me) view.