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ujm,

1. rav hutner came from a chassidishe family, sorry! youre wrong! this is a fact and is not negotiable! his family was sorta gerrer to some extent, yet he learned in litvish yeshivos, but big deal, does that make the current noviminsker a litvak and a yekke, after all he learned in chaim berlin, taight in skokie, and taught in kaj! i think everyone agrees his a chassidishe rebbe, not a litvish rosh yeshiva. the fact is it is well known that rav hutner leaned chassidish in alot of what he did (lubavitch claim the rebbe had alot to do with it, though his talmidim all doubt that) his learning was litvish, no doubt, but yeshivas chaim berlin does not follow the norm when it comes to litvish mehalech.

2. again, dancing and holding hands are not the same. otherwise, when an old couple walk down an aisle holding hands, there should be a mechitza, because according to you they are dancing.

3. where in the machzor vitri does it allow a male that is not a womans husband to dance with her? ok, i agree you may hold that what is being done at a mitzva tanz isnt dancing, and the litvish disagree, but both hold holding hands IS NOT DANCING! holding hands and dancing are 2 differant halchos!

5. what? chazal? you clearly have no idea who chazal are refering to. chazal is in the times of the mishna, and last i checked, none of this stuff is from then, so again you are wrong! show me where in any mishna or braisa, or even an sifri or sifra it states any of the minhagim i said, and ill agree that i was wrong, otherwise you should agree i am right! im not saying there isnt a makor for these minhagim, just that the makor isnt from chazal. the term chazal has always meant tanaic and pre tanaic times, since the term comes from the gemorah, and it never in the gemorah refers to amoraim, which it would since it was compiled around 100 years after the majority of the later amoraim were niftar, and there were only a handful of them left.

and again, if a shul has a minhag, correct then it is their right, and if a rosh yeshiva has his psak, IT IS HIS RIGHT! if he doesnt want to mesader a kiddushin that will have a mitzva tanz, HE is in HIS RIGHT! the original poster to this discussion does have a problem, and that is exactly my point! you made it for me, congrats!

and any mom and pop mt i have been to is similiar to most, and a badchan in nature is a jokester, or in its literal translation, a jester! how that isnt a person making chozek, i dont know, but you claim your jesters are serious ppl who are doing holy things, gezunta hayt, maybe im not holding on a high enough madreiga to see how making fun of the families in good natured fun is holy. sorry.