bogen:
1. I never said rav ahron shechter was a litvak, he wears a gartel, and acts like a shtickle rebbe, since he was a talmid of the previous rosh yeshiva of chaim berlin, who hailed from a huge chassidishe family. rav hutner became more chassidish later in life, and rav ahron followed him in that direction.
2. if holding hands and dancing together in your eyes are the same, then you have a point, for the rest of us, we realize that holding hands is nowhere near dancing, and there is zero similiartiy between the two, so the whole rov ahron thing is moot.
3. youre point of the machzor vitri is the one i made, so congrats, the machzor vitri was stating that dancing INFRONT of a kallah is a mitzva, not WITH!
4. the minhagim i stated ALL started after the baal shem tov, and made inroads in the upper hungarian chassiduses around the time of R. Nosson Adler. before then, these minhagim were all asain jewish at best, and many historians, both jewish and non, say alot of these minhagim stem very possibly from goyishah places.
5. none of these minhagim were instituted by chazal, they were at best instituted by achronim. true ashkenazik customs were instituted by chazal, and those would be the ones that sfardim do as well. dont throw chazal around, they instituted very little when it comes to minhagim.
nameless:
Jent1150:
you obviously didnt get my point, the starter of this discussion made it seem as if the litvish need to answer for something, and we dont. the chassidic customs are newer, and that is fact, unarguable. i was stating that i am sick and tired of having to answer as to why i do and do not do different things, and people think i am the one who is changing how things are done. i guarantee if someone started this series and said the same thing about a chassidic custom, lets say sitting in a succah on shmini atzeres, you would smash them for everything under the sun, yet when a chassid slams a litvish custom, you go along with it.
think big: i have no clue as to what you are talking about. i do ALL my fathers minhagim, ALL! i take my minhagim very very seriously. i DONOT follow my “father in laws” minhagim, as i have need, or halachic obligation to. i agree with you %1000 percent, one should not deviate from their fathers minhagim.
(story was great, i enjoyed it and it makes total sense. i dont hate chassidim, i hate the idea that we all have to do chassidic minhagim, and if we dont, or have certain decisions regarding chassidic customs, they get questioned as if we are nuts)
btw, to all of you, you may find that certain roshei yeshiva wont be messader kiddushin if there is a mitzva tance, how about the fact that in every shteeble you cant daven for the amud without a gartel, i find that to be disgusting! (jj, trying to show that this stuff is on both sides of the isle, so to speak)
lemaaseh, when it comes down to it, us litvish need chassidim to teach us how to laugh and be besamaiach, and chassidim need the litvish to teach them to be serious, and then we can great mashiach together and figure it all out then.
[side point, about rov tendler, i heard a tape of him, and he made it seem that the mixed seating came from the feinstein side, and that rabbi tendler said ” who was i to complain – i was marrying the gadol hadors daughter” and btw, he wasn’t picked by rov moshe, since rov moshe didnt pick any of his children in laws, but he did ok them all, and he oked rov tendler. he loved rabbi tendler, and went to them for shabbos and yuntif all the time.]