Rabbi, i’m sorry you took offense. I did not intend to lump you together with Cantoresq in that you are in the same category, but I wrote ditto to you because what I answered him applies to you too. Namely, that our hashkafos do not run along the same line, so therfore there is little we can debate in the zionism issue. Once again, for the last time, I hope, our hashkafa is what we’ve been taught by our gedolim. If you disagree with that view, you are disagreeing with the gedolim (despite the fact that you want to claim that the gedolim don’t really hold by what we say they do. i say, the proof is in the pudding, look at their followers, and you’ll see what their beliefs are.)
You write:
“Our disagreement is about which way is the truth- no- let me rephrase this- which way is more applicable today, because I don’t want to imply that the chareidi/agudah way is “wrong”.” Rabbi, To me, what’s applicable is what our gedolim teach. What is applicable is to keep our eyes on the goal, which is to me mekadesh Shem Shomayim, to do all we can to bring the geulah. By investing in a “medinah” which tries to take us out of that, which tries to claim that this is the geulah…that is not going to bring us to our goal.
As I said, I’m really tired of this discussion, and I see all the other posters are smarter than me. They all abandoned this blog when they realized the futility of this, and only I (and joseph) remained to fight it out. I do think you try to open your mind to hear–for this I give you credit. But as i see it, what needed to be said was said on both sides, and at this point we are all just wasting our time. So, I wish you the very best, and we will iy”h meet again on other happy occasions.