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  • January 18, 2017 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #619045
    misteryudi
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    Hi,

    I just created a new post, but it was deleted, and I don’t know why. Can someone please enlighten me?

    January 18, 2017 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1209695
    YW Moderator-💯
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    That discussion, while valuable, is not for a public forum, because some may be harmed.

    January 18, 2017 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #1209696
    misteryudi
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    Moderator 100, I respectfully disagree, and think that such a discussion is perfectly appropriate, and even healthy, for a frum public forum. Are we only here to discuss frivolous matters and the views of a particular selection of frum jews? Can we possibly grow and become more rounded, critically-thinking people if we aren’t subjected to thoughts and questions that force to dig deeper into our understanding of Judaism? Is that right only reserved for our Rabbis? It is for all of us!

    As an aside, who, or what, may be harmed by such a discussion?

    Thank you.

    January 18, 2017 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1209697
    YW Moderator-💯
    Moderator

    Someone whose emunah is shaky or not intellectually well formed can be challenged by such a discussion. This is not theory, this occurred here.

    It is not an aside. That is the reason this type of discussion should not be on a forum accessible to anyone.

    January 18, 2017 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1209698
    misteryudi
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    Moderator 100, thank you for explaining. However, I’d argue with two counterpoints:

    1. We are ALL challenged with our emunah at points in our lives. That is what helps us grow. If we had no reason to think deeply about why we believe, and why we do things, then we really aren’t doing them with much meaning. Also, I am in no way intending this discussion to replace seeking advice in the real world.

    2. I’ve been reading plenty on this forum for a few months. And I can plainly state that many opinions and statements that HAVE been allowed through (some philosophical, some personal) are dangerous, not only to others who may be reading and are potentially turned off from becoming more frum (of which I actually know a few), but to the others posting, as well, when it can personal.

    January 18, 2017 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #1209699
    YW Moderator-💯
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    1. True. I still feel strongly that this discussion doesn’t belong in a public forum, and I say so from experience.

    2. You are entitled to feel that we have allowed posts which should not have been allowed. That does not change whether or not this discussion should take place on a public forum. It should not.

    January 19, 2017 12:02 am at 12:02 am #1209700
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    misteryudi, there was a thread from a while back that I was trying to find so I could post the link for you. It was about someone who decided to leave the CR because he/she felt that he/she was having Emunah problems because of posts in the CR.

    I don’t know how common that is, but the fact that it happened once is cause for caution. I would guess that that is the reason for Mod-100’s caution.

    January 19, 2017 1:13 am at 1:13 am #1209701
    Little Froggie
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    I do thank you, Mod100 and all others for keeping this place relatively safe. Yes, do stick to your guns, know that we do appreciate your most valuable and tireless input. Filtering modding and controlling this place is what sets it apart from all the other “places to visit”.

    Keep it up!!!

    January 19, 2017 4:20 am at 4:20 am #1209702
    Lightbrite
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    Sometimes our minds go places, far places that may not be healthy for one’s neshamah.

    I don’t know what you wrote, but maybe think of it as Hashem steering you in the right direction.

    After all, the Mods are moderated by Hashem. It’s a big deal, to say the least.

    January 19, 2017 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1209703
    misteryudi
    Participant

    Moderator 100, I still disagree, but ok.

    lilmod ulelamaid, thank you for bringing that up, but that doesn’t sufficiently explain why a post like mine wouldn’t go through while other posts on this forum, which can challenge people’s emunah on the opposite extreme, do go through.

    When it comes to emunah, people generally fall into 2 categories: Logical and emotional. Some need logical insight to really have faith, while others need emotional inspiration. My post was geared toward those who gain meaning and faith from looking at Judaism through a logical lens. If one can’t handle it emotionally, that’s their responsibility. I am aware of people who had the opposite happen: from reading posts on this forum, their faith wavered, because they couldn’t emotionally handle things that have been posted. Again, that is their own responsibility. But it needs to go both ways.

    Little Froggie, yes, the moderating and filtering of this forum sets it apart, for both good and bad reasons. When there is a clear bias toward a specific agenda, with no other views allowed, the full picture becomes heavily distorted and not based on reality. That is dangerous.

    lightbrite, you have good intentions, but in the case of my post, that is far from accurate. And even if my post did have something which was questioning a tenant of Judaism, the appropriate response is not to stifle it or ignore it. The correct response is to step up and challenge it, engage in discussion, and see how we can resolve it. Pirkei Avos states “Eizehu Chacham? Halomed mikol Adam.” And no, the moderators are not steered by Hashem. They are human beings with the same faults and issues as you and me, and can have the same lapses of judgement.

    January 19, 2017 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1209704
    ☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲
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    That’s “tenet.”

    January 20, 2017 3:53 am at 3:53 am #1209705
    Lightbrite
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    misteryudi: True dat. I’m sorry I wasn’t validating your feelings. Mods are humans; very true. If I was in your position, I probably wouldn’t feel super great after having me say blah blah blah Hashem manifested this.

    Hashem could have also called upon you to stand up and speak out for your voice.

    B’Hatzlacha for the best of you and everyone

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