Kol Isha re non-Jews

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    I. M. Shluffin
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    So how does it work? Where do I find sources that discuss the halachos (or lack of halachos) regarding a Jewish woman singing in front of a non-Jew? And is there a difference when the woman does it for a job, i.e. music therapy?

    #1151614
    charliehall
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    There is no prohibition whatsoever for a Jewish woman to sing, anywhere. The prohibition is for Jewish men to listen. (There are exceptions to the latter although not all of the exceptions are widely accepted.)

    #1151615
    Sam2
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    R’ Schachter might in theory agree with Charlie, but he adds an important caveat. The Gemara calls it an Ervah. So he says a Jewish woman should be as uncomfortable singing in front of non-Jewish men as she would be standing untznius* in front of them (of which there might technically be no Issur either, but the vast majority of Frum women would obviously, and correctly, be very uncomfortable doing so).

    *Edited – Sam means as untznius as possible.

    #1151616
    Avi K
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    Charlie, women are obligated in “lifnei iver”.

    #1151617
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Avi K is correct.

    #1151618
    Sam2
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    DY: Avi K’s point is irrelevant. Goyim are not Muzharim on Hirhurei Aveirah and therefore there is no violation of Lifnei Iver to not be Tznius in front of them.

    Mods: R’ Schachter’s point was Davka. It’s not just Stam un-Tznius. I understand why it was edited, but I would appreciate if it could be fixed in a way to properly present the sentiment, because the way it reads now it is far less strong than it should be.

    How’s that?

    #1151619
    Sam2
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    I think that’s good enough.

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