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Perhaps deep down some people dont want moshiach to come. I want to earn a connection with Hashem and a place in olam haba through my bechira. If moshiach came everything would be obvious and the entire fight of keeping miztvos while living in a world of illusion and trials would be lost. So I guess deep down some people dont want moshiach to come. Thats the best way- to earn it for yourself the hard way. If moshiach comes tomorrow night, we wouldn’t be able have the ability the same way anymore.
Yes, it is very wrong. And one who doesn’t want Moshiach may find himself left behind by Moshiach when he does come.
Very very soon, IY”H.
A man heard on the radio that Mashiach had come and was organizing one-way flights to EY. When he told his wife she said “The Jews made it through tough times before and we will make it through this”.
Seriously, we do not want trials. We might fail c”v. Gemar chatima tova.
Shbtai Tzvi was a trial and we failed, It also damaged the future as well. People became much more synical after Shabbatai Tzvi
Newbee,
So you’re selfish?
Sorry for being so harsh
One really should want moshiach so hashem’s name will be complete in this world
My guess is that the OP’s concern is based on his (or her) belief in what the Messianic Age will be like. There are, of course, many opinions on that issue. I, myself, think that the RAMBAM’s description is the most mistabra but I’d bet that I and everyone else, whatever shita we hold, will be surprised when the Day comes, b’meheirah b’yomeinu.
I don’t agree with your premise, that we will lose all bechirah when Mashiach comes. Our challenges will certainly be different, but why do you assume that we will all become robots or angels? We will still have to earn our way to Olam Haba.
One of the reasons, why I want Moshiach so badly, is because I am so tired of the Goyim, saying that we are not Hashem’s chosen and that we have no right to E”Y. I want so much that they see that Hashem is truly the King and Creator of the Universe. It hurts so much. The bloodshed and hate will end. There will finally be a true peace in the world.
Yes. The medresh says everything is about “kivui” – anticipation; one of the things listed is anticipation for moshiach (and of course, it is one of the ikkarim).
That said, the Gr”a said that when people get to Olam Haba (note: that’s after yemos hamoshiach) they’ll be wishing they were in Olam Hazeh in order to be able to accomplish more. The yegiyah is what is truly important.
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what does the rambam say? lo nisavu chachamim liyimos hamashiach elu kidei sheyizku lichayei olam haba. not really sure the context, or the pshat in this rambam. I just remember the MBC song with the words.
Mazal77, why are you saying that we are not Hashem’s chosen and that we have no right to E”Y?
Mazal77, why are you saying that we are not Hashem’s chosen and that we have no right to E”Y?
Not what I meant and you know it!
Mazal77 is yekke2?
For me, whether or not I would want Moshiach to come would depend on what Moshiach coming would actually mean for the world and the people living on it, practically speaking.
And yes, I know I’m a terrible person for not wanting moshiach to come no matter what.
Coffee Addict – I was just quoting RebYidd’s subtitle.
Do you really think Hashem lacks the ability to make His name complete in this world? Why did Hashem create this world in the first place, and why were we sent here?
I think You’re confusing two things, one is that Hashem wants us to be happy the other is that we want hashem’s name to be complete in this world
You’re supposed to want the latter so Hashem should want the former
Yekke
Oh now I get it
Honestly, to many people, whats the difference between davening for moshiach and davening to die?
Does dying bring giluy k’vod haShechinah? Rabi Akiva was m’tzapeh (which is not the same as davening, because you’re probably not allowed to daven) to die al kiddush Hashem, but stam dying?
Also, we want to do mitzvos. We can still do mitzvos after Moshiach arrives.
When Mashiach comes, we will still be human, with ta’avos, and with yeitzer haras. After you die, you will no longer be human, and will be a pure neshama. There’s a big difference.
“how do you vision your life after moshiach comes”
One can imagine, and hope. This is what we daven for though. Until it happens, we wont know what will be.
newbee- who says we won’t be able to give in to taivos? Will those violent taivos that you described exist? I have no idea. But our Gedolim have taivos and challenegs, so I’m sure we will too, even if it’s not the same taivos that exist today.
A neshama has no guf or yeitzer hara, so it’s much different.
And I think Techias HaMeisim is a one time event. I don’t think it means death will no longer exist when Mashiach comes.
Do you know that God exists? Is it not obvious to you? Does that mean you don’t have challenges? Just because there will be a giluy shchinah doesn’t mean there will be no more challeneges. There was a giluy shchinah at Har Sinai and we still had challenegs. Knowing that God exists and runs the world doesn’t take away our yeitzer hara.
newbee,
If moshiach came everything would be obvious and the entire fight of keeping miztvos while living in a world of illusion and trials would be lost. So I guess deep down some people dont want moshiach to come.
If my office computer broke, but I was somehow able to overcome that and finish my work on time, my boss would be very impressed. Even so, I’d much rather not have my computer break, because having a broken computer is very stressful and significantly ups the risk that my work won’t get done.
In a way, humanity broke its computer in Gan Eden by partaking of fruit from the etz pri hadaas. When Moshiach comes iy”H, the computer will be fixed, and we’ll be able to work the way we were originally intended to.
“how do you vision your life after moshiach comes”
I think my vision of life after Moshiach is similar to how the Rambam perceives it. On a global scale, it would be vastly different. There would be world peace and universal recognition of God. The non-Jews will continue their lives observing the 7 Mitzvos Benei Noach, but they will still have politics and governments and things like that (I do not envision a new world order with a universal government centralized in Yerushalayim and led by the Melech Yisroel and the Sanhedrin… but who knows?).
On a personal level, other than Kohanim, Levi’im, and those living in Yerushalayim itself, our lives will be similar. We will still have similar halachos to what we have today (with the addition of tumah and taharah, aliyah laregel, and others), but we’ll still have to wake up for minyan, and balance working for a parnassah with Torah, and shalom bayis. The ultimate goal in life is not the coming of Mashiach, it’s to get closer to Hashem through Torah and Mitzvos. The coming of Mashiach may change the means to that end, but the goal will still be the same. We will still be trying to earn our place in Olam Habah even after Mashiach comes.
You can’t compare one person’s awareness to an awareness which will fill the entire world.
That wasn’t your question, though.
Am I reading this? Is this comming out of a heligi yids mouth? of course ITS TERRIBLY! You need a little more amuna.. don’t ruin it for the rest of us! Reb Yd not wanting Moshiach to come is exactly why each dor isnt zoche for moshiach to come! This is the reason your a yid! Have some respect for the torah, have a little more emunah and hopefully youll be zoche.. what’s so complicated? What Hasafa is this? Have some emunah in Hashem… it’s not that hard…
In which if that happens… can’t I just make a new account?…. Then you wonder why intelligent people run the world… but in that regard ok…
Of course you can make a new account. If you use the same offensive style you will be blocked again. If you choose to post normally, we will be happy to have you.
A Gut Yom Tov.
Im so Predictable 🙂
Fine Ill Behave 🙂
newbee,
You have to believe that problem you got from your computer was tailor made just for you. Isn’t that was gam zu letovah means?
Of course. But on Rosh Hashana we eat apples dipped in honey to show that we not only want goodness in the upcoming year, but sweet goodness. On Yom Kippur we daven to be cleansed without serious illness or suffering. If I were sleeping in the wilderness with a sefer, candle, rooster, and donkey because the nearby town turned me away, I would hopefully come to say gam ze letova like Rabbi Akiva did (although I am nowhere near his level though, and I’d probably feel very upset about it), but if I had a choice, I’d want to learn and then sleep in a warm bed in the town’s inn with food in my belly and have no bandits to fear.
You honestly believe 99.999999% of humanity exists the way it does for 99.99999% of the time humanity existed because of some fluke or mistake or sin one person did? I think thats a simplistic way of reading the parsha.
I think looking at the parsha as a fluke or mistake or sin that one person did is an incomplete/incorrect way of reading the parsha. Furthermore, on a simple level, since we are not living in Gan Eden, we have to work hard in agriculture, we don’t have complete mastery over animals, and pregnancy lasts 9 months, then yes, we do exist the way we do because of Adam and Chava’s sin.
newbee funny to see that a sixth month person knows the coffee room well enough to know what wuill happen. probably you yourself had a differeny username and was kicked out for being a troll.
One big difference between wanting to die and wanting Moshiach to come is that the latter is a Mitzvah while the former is an Aveirah.
And Newbee, your original question is a very good one. Part of the answer is that Moshiach won’t / can’t come until we deserve it to happen. And so, one who truly cares about Kevod Shamayim will live his life in such a manner, which includes not only WANTING Moshiach to come but also actively BRINGING Moshiach.
well I never got kicked out so why’d you open a new account?
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