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    ghj613
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    This Shabbos is the anniversary of the massacre of the jews which took place at Cliffords Tower in York, 1190. It is said that as a result of this incident, a cheirem was placed on York forbidding people to sleep there overnight. Can anyone provide a source for this cheirem?

    #1066037
    sirvoddmort
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    No. Because as far as I am aware, there has never been a cheirem officially put on York. And this makes sense, seeing how if York was in cheirem, so would London, Paris, Warsaw, Vilna, Chevron or basically anywhere where they had a pogrom.

    Of course, it is entirely possible that somebody will find a source, in which case I defer to actual evidence, as opposed to hearsay.

    #1066038
    newsreader
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    as far as i know rabeinu gershon put a cheirem on york. i am not 100% sure. anyway after a certain amount of years the chierem goes off.

    #1066039
    sirvoddmort
    Member

    I assume you are referring to Rabbeinu Gershom Me’or Hagolah, who lived around 150 years before the CLifford’s Tower massacre.

    #1066040
    zahavasdad
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    Its not even clear that there was a Cherem on Spain. There certainly isnt one for Germany

    #1066041
    Little Froggie
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    I’ve heard of it too. Can’t recall who. Maybe it was the ‘Rabbonim’ of that era, who cursed that soil upon which our blood was soaked upon, that it should henceforth not benefit from the presence a Yid brings.

    #1066042
    popa_bar_abba
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    I am actually machmir that this includes New York

    #1066043
    ED IT OR
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    So i was in york around a week ago, i of course went to cliffords tower, not a plauqe or anything! surprising. anyways i didnt sleep overnight.

    #1066044
    Chortkov
    Participant

    Was this where the Baalei Tosfos wrote Tos’ Baba Kama 77? Or was that a different massacre?

    #1066045
    Sam2
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    Someone once told me that the Cherem is mentioned in the Pinkes of the Vaad Arba Aratzos but that doesn’t make so much sense either. Have never seen a Makor inside yet.

    #1066046
    sirvoddmort
    Member

    Yekke2:

    Yes. Although do you know where this story comes from?

    #1066047
    Chortkov
    Participant

    Er… York?

    #1066048
    sirvoddmort
    Member

    Lol. But you know what I meant.

    #1066049
    Sam2
    Participant

    Isn’t the Bava Kama 77 story in Seder HaDoros or Doros HaRishonim or one of those Seforim?

    #1066050
    sirvoddmort
    Member

    That’s what I want to know.

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