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If a girl is not going to collage, what are are her job options besides teacher, teachers assistant, shadow or secretary?
She could start her own business, or work as a babysitter or substitute teacher.
But just a little college gives you a lot more options.
If college isn’t an option, then the only viable career option is to be an entrepreneur. You have to make your own money in your own business, because no one else is going to pay good money to someone without special skills.
You should check out “the JWE”, an organization for frum women, giving them the resources to become successful entrepreneurs.
A person can have special skills without a college degree.
Reb Yid: True, you can have special skills without college, but they are rarely marketable skills, especially someone without a lot of work experience.
If Bais Yaakov type girl spells “collAge” instead of “collEge”, she can’t be a teacher or secretary.
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Bais Yaakov type of girl usually would like to be married to the boy, who will learn for years. It means, she need to think about her future job way before she graduated from school. She need to figure out what kind of skills she has or she need to develop some skills, which will help her later to support her family. It will be nice, if Bais Yaakov schools will not only make girls mind to marry boys, who learn, but also will help girls to develop skills.
Sheitel macher. Hatzolah dispatcher. Manual laborer.
Stand-up comedian. Cashier. Salesperson. Cook. Many more?
Does “not going to college” include not taking courses any other way?
1. Learning how to knit a variety of patterns of things. Then making tons of scarves and selling them.
2. Secretary
3. Administrative assistant
4. Cashier at a store
5. Waitress at a kosher restaurant
6. Cleaning lady
I think you should really go to college or trade school. There is a government program called WIA that is run by community colleges. If your under a certain income limit, you can get the government to pay for you to learn a job skill that is in demand such as medical billing, pharmacy technician, phlebotomy… etc. I used to know someone who chose not to get a degree after seminary and she 30+ years later is really unhappy with her life.
The jobs mentioned above that are numbered only pay minimum wage.
Cleaning lady is a good job. It is hard work but pays pretty well.
Shoemaker. A european classic
Why don’t you go to Touro or another frum program?
Your options are very limited without a college degree. If you don’t want to spend 3-4 years in school look at a certification program in the field you are interested. They are often almost as good as a degree with a lot less time.
You should try to figure out something though. I believe it’s an unrealistic expectation to rely on the in-laws money while your husband learns all day. Today, one or both spouses need to work to support the family.
ps. If you have a knack for computers then programming might be for you. I make apps for people and I’m still in college. In the tech world people don’t care about the degree as long as you can do the work.
pps. There are more women in Touro Flatbush’s Computer Science division than men.
Whats wrong with cooking and cleaning and caring for the kids? Just make sure that supper is ready when your husband walks through that door!!
Who’s paying for supper? Who’s paying for rent on to apartment the door opens to? Who’s paying for the husband?
If Bais Yaakov type girl spells “collAge” instead of “collEge”, she can’t be a teacher or secretary.
cv, you are correct. However, if you are going to criticize someone’s spelling, you should make sure your spelling and grammar are impeccable.
Haifagirl, shouldn’t the “c” in “cv” at the beginning of the sentence be capitalized?
Haifagirl, shouldn’t the “c” in “cv” at the beginning of the sentence be capitalized?
No, because it’s a name. People are entitled to spell (and capitalize) their names as they see fit. I choose to spell haifagirl without a capital.
Different style guides have varying opinions.
Yes, but it’s at the beggining of a sentence. Even if the name itself isn’t capitalized, shouldn’t its placement cause it to be capitalized?
Perhaps I should have rewritten the sentence:
“The response that cv gave was correct, however, . . .”
That would work, haifagirl, or, you could do as I just did with your screen name; capitalize at the beginning of a sentence, but not in the middle.
A “bais yaakov type girl”, like any other girl on the planet, can obtain proper training and become an accountant, a nurse, a lawyer, an architect, a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, dentist, physical therapist, programmer or one of a million other professions out there. Sure these jobs involve hard work, but so does being a babysitter, a secretary, a house-cleaner, a cashier, or just being poor because so many of these positions offer small compensation, benefits, and relative job-security.
The training for some of these professions is intense but doable (tens of thousands people do it every year), and can be done in an appropriate quality setting.
I’m 15 I wanted to know when I’m older I would want like a good job but like I’m not smart enough to go to college .so I was wondering does a Sheitle macher make good money?because I have a class for that in my school
#Curious yenta, I think that the fact that you are only 15 and thinking about your future, shows intelligence…. SO maybe you are smart enough 🙂
there’s no such thing as not smart enough for college…
Discuss that with your friends in late night DMCs, curious yenta.
And I don’t see why most people on this thread think that unless one has a degree, they can’t succeed in life. That’s awfully closed minded!
And I don’t see why most people on this thread think that unless one has a degree, they can’t succeed in life. That’s awfully closed minded!
While its true one can succeed without a degree, having a degree increases the chances of success. If you come from money and get into family business you can succeed without a degree, but if you dont have a family business and need to get ahead on your own a degree to get a better job.
In general “Jewish Jobs (Rabbis, Chinuch, Shteitech, Masghichim etc) ” dont pay very well, you need to work with the greater society to make more money.
Of course you will find people with degrees who are failures and people without success. But take 100 of each and see where the majority of the people are
ZD,
You have left out what have always been the quintessential Jewish jobs; Real Estate, Retail, Wholesale, Jewlery and Diamonds.
Many seem to make a very healthy living from those without “Higher Education”. And now you have many running all sorts of Internet businesses as well. And it would seem that degrees are not neccesary for that.
And many Are “Programmers” meaning on government programs .
Jut go to the supermarkerts in Borough park, More people use eBt cards than are able to pay cash
Want to get into Real Estate and you dont have, you need rental properties which costs $1 Million and up, at 5% down (and thats a BIG if if the banks will let you) thats $50,000 and you need more than 1 property to make money
Want to get into retail, In Borough Park the rents of a small retail store are at least $10,000 a month plus you need about $50,000-$100,000 in inventory
Want to get into Diamonds, we all know what diamonds cost, they arent cheap
So if you family doesnt have any of these things , its really hard to break into them without any money and you need significant amounts of money to get in
curious yenta- take the course. Ladies/girls are very cuccessful in this field. You can even work by a sheitel macher while you are still in school. HATZLACHA RABBA
So this begs the next question, what type of courses/training can one take besides graphics or shaitels?
Actually, it doesn’t. It raises the question.
That aside, I don’t have a degree and I consider myself successful. I think we need to define “success.”
Lets get the actual economics of being a sheitel macher. Lets say you make $20 a Sheitel ($20 is actual profit, not what you charge customer) . Now lets say you want to make $52,000 income (not alot of money) which is $1000 a week. If you charge $20 a Sheitel, you need to get 50 Sheitels a week to make that $1000 and thats every week so you need hundreds of customers and you are competing against other Sheitel Machers for the same customers and some women do it themselves
ZD,
You are wrong. Here are many opportunities in all those areas which do not require the investments you are alleging and one can make a respectable parnassa at.
You are also choosing to ignore the significant cost of college and graduate schooling. During which time you are often not making much money.
Your estimates for sheitlach is way off reality.
And how many people make parnassa selling on line. And that does not require a degree.
I am not against getting a degree, I actually make my parnassa in an industry that requires having a degree. However there are ample opportunities to make very respectable parnassa without a degree.
$20?! If they charge $50 for a wash and set, how is the profit only $20? Do they really use $30 worth of shampoo? Hairspray? What?
And if they sell a new one for $400+, I can’t believe the profit is only $20.
With these special frum college programs ucha as TTI anyone can get a degree without too much effort. From what I’ve seen those with a skilled trade make out the best such as plumbers, electricians, iron workers. No reason as Bais Yaakov girl can’t do those jobs. There are City jobs that don’t require callege such as sanitation worker that paty quite well or firefighter. A BY girl can be almost anything but a Rabbi, a sofer or a mohel.
You should check out the Parnassah Guide – it has a lot of options with all the details you would want to know about each option. Hatzlachah.
Zahavasdad, the reason most people in the groceries are paying with EBT is because the ones who pay cash are at work and have their groceries delivered.
Sheitel machers can easily get paid $40 and more.
YD: Did you ever use a plumber who was a Bais Yaakov grad?
domestic crafts
If you learn Quick books In school you can become a Book keeper which pays very well!!
ZD : you probably don’t know too many Sheitel machers in Brooklyn, on the average, they make $1000-3000 profit a week!!! ( depending how busy they are!)
How many $400 Sheitels do you think a Macher sells per week? Of course they dont make $20 per Sheitel, but they dont sell many of them either
You also dont compute the cost of customer acquisition, its costs money to acquire customers. Im sure someone like georgie makes good money, but she has the customer base to warrant it
If you are new to the business you need to acquire the customers and that takes time and money
How much do you think a quickbooks bookkeeper makes? $10 and Hour $12 an hour, thats what I see them advertised for. $10 an hour is $400 a week, $1600 a month before taxes. last I checked rents in Borough park were $2000 and up.
I actually have my own business and know the economomics and how difficult it is to make money. Between inventory advertising and competiton the margins just arent that great. There are lots of Sheitel machers in Brooklyn and lots of competition to drive the prices down
How many $400 Sheitels do you think a Macher sells per week? Of course they dont make $20 per Sheitel, but they dont sell many of them either
You do realize that selling sheitels is just a part of their business, right? They also wash and style sheitels. (Just like the hair on your head, sheitels get dirty and need to be washed.)
Some also cut hair.
Some also sell hair accessories.
And a lot of sheitels cost a lost more than $400.
I know plenty of girls without degrees with great jobs! If college isn’t an option, you could be a childcare worker (like in a kindergarten, playgroup etc.), a bookkeeper (also great if later on in life your husband wants to run his own business), a photographer, something with food – I know someone who first worked as a cook for a company and then started her own catering company, author (not sure if that counts), hairdresser etc. None of those require a degree (except perhaps an author depending on who you ask…..and anyway probably more of a side job). Think about your strengths/talents and hobbies
‘A “bais yaakov type girl”, like any other girl on the planet, can obtain proper training and become an accountant, a nurse, a lawyer, an architect, a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, dentist, physical therapist, programmer or one of a million other professions out there.’
I know two bais yaakov graduates who went to medical school and are now practicing physicians, and a third who went to law school and works today as a lawyer.
A Morah at a Gan doesnt make that much money and neither do any sort of child care workers. The only way to make money as a morah is either to own a fairly decent sized school or to be a public school teacher (and that needs a degree)
Everyone knows someone who was successful without a degree. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg never got a degree however if you get one the odds increase dramatically that you will make a decent living and no $10 an hour is not a decent living espicially if you want to live the frum lifestyle
I once worked at a medical billing office that needed someone to process repetitive paperwork. The starting salary was $10.00 an hour but there was room for a salary increase and I was eligible for benefits like health insurance. It was 9-5 though. The job didn’t last long for me because in the first two weeks, I had a very temporary significant issue crop up and they were not understanding.
“Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg never got a degree “
True. But both went to Harvard and started their businesses while they were students there.
ZD: You seem to be living behind the times? A sheitelmacher today, if shes good, sells sheitlech for anywhere between $800-$1200. the profit is 100%!
Next Book keepeers make anywhere between $25-$35 an hour. I know because I’m a job recruiter!
Nobody makes 100% profit. You need equipment to clean the Sheitels (Shamppos etc) and you need business insurance (What if you damage the sheitel, You have to pay) Electricity isnt free and there are other costs as well.
If you are an CPA Accountant you can make more, Quickbooks mastery is a dime a dozen
The hair cost money too. How can there possibly be 100% profit? Unless you don’t mean that 100% is profit, but rather, that the cost is usually half of the sale price.
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