A source for this Chanukah halacha/minhag, please

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  • December 23, 2014 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #614536
    ☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲
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    I was recently made aware of a halacha, or possibly a minhag, found in the well-known sefer, A Chanukah Story for Night Number Three.

    However, it did not give a source for its assertion that the Chanukah

    lights should be prepared in reverse of the order they are lit in.

    Is this perhaps a custom of Chabad, which Hachai, the book’s

    publisher, is associated with? Can anyone enlighten me? [Intended. 🙂 ]

    December 23, 2014 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1049935
    ☕️coffee addict
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    i hope ur not serious, everyone sets them up right to left and lights left to right (reverse order)

    December 23, 2014 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #1049936
    Sam2
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    ca: Everyone just knows that from the tape. Not everyone grew up with the tape. Also, it is highly inappropriate when someone asks an honest question to make fun of them for not knowing the answer.

    comlink: As far as I know, the reason you set them up away from you is so as to not be Ma’avir the Mitzvah. If you’re a righty, you should set up the one nearest your right hand, on your right. However, lighting that way isn’t practical because you might burn yourself when reaching across the candles you’ve already lit. Hence, you light them reverse.

    December 24, 2014 12:57 am at 12:57 am #1049937
    ☕️coffee addict
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    sam2,

    im a bt so i dont know which tape ur even referring to! i know it because its simple to me, you light the oppisite of setting up and you start the right

    December 24, 2014 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1049938
    ☕️coffee addict
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    im also a lefty, and i do it the same as everyone else

    December 24, 2014 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1049939
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    i hope ur not serious, everyone sets them up right to left and lights left to right (reverse order)

    Not the Vilna Gaon. I think his reasoning is that the initial light is the Mitzvah and the rest are for Hiddur. The widespread Minhag treats all the lights as the Mitzvah and the order is based on Ma’alin Bakodesh.

    I prepare the lights in the same order they are lit but I can’t say that it’s due to Minhag.

    December 24, 2014 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1049940
    Joseph
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    Like Dash, I too prepare the lights in the same order they are lit. Where is there a custom otherwise?

    December 24, 2014 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1049941
    Sam2
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    Lior: On the tape. “You put them in from right to left and light them from left to right.” I think it’s like that in the Mishnah Brurah.

    December 24, 2014 2:45 am at 2:45 am #1049942
    147
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    According to Beis Shamai, this entire topic is a moot point for tonite Zaus Chanukah.

    December 24, 2014 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1049943
    ☕️coffee addict
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    wow,

    i never knew otherwise

    sam,

    which tape is this?

    December 24, 2014 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1049944
    Sam2
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    ca: I have no idea. The tape that everyone I knew heard over and over as a kid on Chanuka and now we all know by heart. There’s a song:

    “You put them in starting from the right and add one more on every night,

    But don’t forget when you start to light, you light them from the left to right.”

    December 24, 2014 4:51 am at 4:51 am #1049945
    HaLeiVi
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    You light the new one first, since that is there special for this night and we go towards the right.

    December 24, 2014 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1049946
    takahmamash
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    The tape that everyone I knew heard over and over as a kid on Chanuka and now we all know by heart.

    The only tapes around when I was a kid were reel-to-reel, and my parents did not own a reel-to-reel tape machine.

    December 26, 2014 5:19 am at 5:19 am #1049947
    screwdriverdelight
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    The minhag follows the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch 676:5. See two other opinions (Taz, Levush & Mahrshal, Gra) cited in MB. (THe exact scenario of the m’norah in OP was not given, and could be follows the opionion of the Taz as well.)

    December 28, 2014 12:03 pm at 12:03 pm #1049948
    ☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲
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    (I either did not hear or do not remember that tape [FFB].)

    Okay, I think I’ve got it. There are two issues here:

    1. Where the lights are placed on the menorah.

    2. The order the lights are actually prepared in.

    (It’s hard to tell which one some people are talking about…)

    1. This is what SDD was talking about – lighting begins with the

    rightmost lamp, and each night’s new light is added to the left,

    but they are lit each night from left to right:

    

    
1

    
12

    
123
    
----1234
    
---12345
    
--123456
    
-1234567
    
12345678

    This is not what I meant to ask about.

    2. When you actually prepare the lights, do you have to do it

    in right-to-left order? Or, on the fourth night, can you prepare

    the lamp you will light first, first, second, second, and so on?

    (The book has a hand placing the candles into

    spots numbers three, two, and one in sequence.)

    Sam mentioned ma’avir al hamitzvah – this would only apply

    if you were setting up at a time when you can already light, correct?

    Sam2:

    Are lefties meant to light in a line that follows the direction they’re facing (“away from you” / “reaching across [lit candles]”),

    while righties light in a line perpedicular to their gaze (“the one

    […] on your right”)? It’s hard to understand what you wrote.

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