- This topic has 15 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 11 months ago by .
-
Posts
-
I am/was trying to bid on a beautiful diamond necklace I saw on eBay. The problem is the biding ends tonight, Friday night. I’ve put in max bids (and won) on items in the past without even realizing the auction ends over a shabbos. Now my husband tells me its assur. He asked his father, a rav and posek (who tends to be machmir about everything) and he told him it is infact assur and I am not allowed becuase my intentions are to make a deal/sale and even if I dont win my computer automatically bids for me on my behalf making it as if I am physically bidding at that moment. Such a thing never even occured to me as. Has anyone else ever come across this issue?
If your husband asked and was told it’s assur, unless you can determine that the facts are different than those assumed by the posek, I don’t think you can put in a bid for a heter.
Sellers on eBay do not like when bidders bid and dont Pay, not only do you have to Beg for your Fees Back, you dont get a sale that you were promised.
I will not disagree with he Psak if the bid was not already made, however if the Bid WAS already made there could be an issue of Stealing and Genevas Daas as well since the seller thinks he will have a sale and you dont pay.
eBay charges Fees as well, most of those fees are refundable if the buyer backs off, but it takes a few weeks to get them back, but some fees might be lost and you cost the seller money depending how he listed it.
Zahavasdad, can one retract a bid before the auction ends?
daas,
You can’t retract a bid on ebay.
mercury,
if your husband got a psak from his father then you really shouldn’t go shopping for a new psak…
I’d venture to say that your shalom ba’yis is worth more that the necklace…
(if not then we have a bigger issue here lol)
It depends how much time is left on an auction, I belive if there is less than 24 hours less (Or maybe 12 Hours) you cannot. If there is more then you can usually
Realistically since I think there is a possible issue of Genevia in more than one way, Its not shopping for another Psak, but rather new information that the Posek did not know.
Why don’t you use the shabbos app? Should solve all the problems 🙂
Shouldn’t your husband be buying you your jewellery?
Husbands shouldn’t buy jewelry on Ebay.
while you need to follow the psak of your posek, I asked this shaila to my posek and he said there’s no issue so it’s far from straightforward and each person should consult his rav.
Usually an auction can be ended early if the seller wants to, therefore it might not be considered that you bought it on Shabbos, even though that is the last chance that someone can outbid you.
Am I allowed to have the lights on in my house on Shabbos or the refrigerator plugged in, What if my billing cycle ends on Shabbos? Is this different than an auction that ends on Shabbos?
Yes
There are opinions (Not the Posek the OP asked) thats its not a halachic sale because a kinyan did not occur.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.