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There are some common physical, mental, and emotional symptoms a person may display following a concussion. Any of these could be a sign of traumatic brain injury:
You are completely right this game should not be played without proper pads and helmets and don’t let anyone tell you well boys will be boys this is your child, i hope he has a complete and speedy refuah shleimah.
It shouldn’t be played in pads and helmets either.
DaasYochid is right. Football is now known to be associated with both acute and chronic neuological impairments. There are so many fun sports that are nowhere near as dangerous; there is no reason to play American football.
I am so sorry for your exerience and the suffering of your family. Your accident was tragic, but it was an accident. I cannot, on any level, agree with the rest of your plea. There have been fatalities from many sports, including baseball, and also from crossing the street, and driving a car. But we cannot keep assuring everything. If we are really worried about the safety of the boys we wont let 17year olds get their drivers license, we won’t let ANY young boy drive up to the catskills without an adult, we probably wouldn’t let 15 year olds dorm away from home.
As a mother of boys I am cringing over the list of things people would like to ‘take away’ from the boys for the sake of their well being but tragic accidents are tragic accidents and if they display a level of responsibility when they play, they can avoid accidents to the extent that Hashem decides.
So many boys are literally breaking under the pressure of the yeshiva schedule, can we ‘do without’ that too?
Flag football is a great alternative.
I disagree syag, there are far more injuries in football than in other organized sports. There are many former major league football players who are now lobbying to try to get football abolished
I agree with you 100% in regard to professional football. It has very little in common with the game the boys play in their suit pants in the field.
ivory,
You said, “There are many former major league football players who are now lobbying to try to get football abolished.”
You completely made this up.
Name one to disprove me.
Happens to be that I didn’t make it up, but I can unfortunately not give you names . I read it in the readers digest a couple of years ago, and don’t remember the name of the player who authored it.
ivory,
Perhaps, just as you have forgotten the author’s name, you may have forgotten the contents of the article.
I don’t think so. I’m not so familiar with football players to remember their names. But I renember the contents very well
In any case I wish a speedy refuah shleima to the op
If you remember what the contents of the article were, please do a google search to figure out which former player was the author.
Is there any reason you have to be rude to someone just because you don’t agree with them?
Actually, Ivory did make it up. Readers Digest is not exactly a trusted and reliable source. for sports. Former players are suing the National Football League for over a billion $ in damages for concussion related neurological injuries. Why would these same players seek to abolish the league? It would eliminate the source of the payout.( the players accepted a settlement offer of $750 million but the judge turned it down as being too low to pay for all the medical treatment that will be required over the next 20 years
I have no interest in making this up. That’s all. Enjoy!
Syag, please explain how you have no problem with a game that the objective is to tackle someone who is running at you as fast as he can. You would be surprised how rough “the game the boys play in their suit pants in the field” can become, no matter what you’re wearing the objective is still the same, bring your opponent down to the floor as quickly as you can. i used to play with my friends (up until 2 years ago) and i have seen friends get tackled by their necks, and others bang their heads on the ground. furthermore i hate to do this to a thread, but several rebbeim in my yeshiva (as well as some local rabbanim) who we asked said it is most likely ossur to play because of the likelihood that you will cause a chaburah to your opponent (something which your opponent cant be mochel on)
Syag, I agree with your overall approach that we can’t stifle kids. I’m very much in favor of kids (and even adults) playing baseball, basketball, touch football, soccer, etc. It’s specifically tackle football which I don’t like because of the high rate of injury.
I don’t really think using statistics of former NFL players’ chronic injuries (which is absolutely staggering) is fair, because they played a whole lot more and were subject to constant pounding and repeated concussions. I still think the injury rate is too high to be worth the risk. There are other outlets (and I agree that they are very much needed).
Syag, please explain how you have no problem with a game that the objective is to tackle someone who is running at you as fast as he can.
because that is not the objective of the game. I try very hard to keep my kids safe (and that inludes not giving them the car keys til 18) but there is no way to prevent all tragedy, and there is no way to tell them everything is off limits. I have seen years and years worth of football games where nobody gets hurt, I have seen years and years of baseball, soccer and biking where nobody has gotten hurt. On the other hand, the kids with skateboards and scooters have seen many injuries. That is enough to tell me to worry more about scooters than footballs.
I am not from New york. I have to tell you that every single year we hear of a fatal or serious car accident R”L happening in the mountains. Every year. And every year I shake my head and wonder how parents can be so stupid as to ever allow their children to drive those routes with that type of record. Perhaps you are one of those parents, or perhaps you are shaking your head right back at me and saying that the statistics are really no higher than any other road, we just hear more often about the bad news.
Bottom line is you don’t have to agree, you are welcome to protect your children from the dangers that you see before you, but I will do the same.
And every morning I pray to Hashem to keep them alive and well, and every night I thank Him for doing so.
This reminds me of the baby-in-the-shopping-cart thread.
BTW, there have been advertising campaigns/kol korehs against young men driving in the Catskills, because of so many accidents, r”l. I would not want my children doing so until they were older and more mature.
Syag, please explain how you have no problem with a game that the objective is to tackle someone who is running at you as fast as he can.
“because that is not the objective of the game.”
Please explain the objective of TACKLE football, if its not trying to stop your opponent from scoring by throwing him down to the ground. Have you ever watched a game of teenagers tackle football!?! Clearly not!!
The point of a scooter/skateboard isn’t to knock down it’s user, yes scrapes and bruises happen from time to time, but the more you ride it the better you become. As opposed to tackle football the more you play the better/harder the hits become.
i am all for guys having fun playing sports but tackle football is asking for trouble.
And just for the record i agree with you about young inexperienced drivers in the Catskills
“… a game that the objective is to tackle someone who is running at you as fast as he can.”
a game that the objective is “trying to stop your opponent from scoring by throwing him down to the ground.”
look like you answered your own question.
scrapes and bruises happen from time to time, but the more you ride it the better you become.
scrapes and bruises? Have you ever watched kids riding scooters!?! Clearly not!!
ask your pediatrician – scooter riding results in fractured wrists, concussions, knocked out front teeth and broken legs. And getting better is irrelevant. Do you think bikers who get injured are only the five year olds? Ask your pediatrician, cuz that’s what I did. Because my objective is the safety of my kids. If you don’t believe that your boys should play tackle football, by all means don’t let them. But if your objective REALLY and HONESTLY is about children’s safety, there are too many things that are more dangerous that you should be fighting for also (if not first). If you aren’t, then I question your sincere objectives, and I would say to each his own.
To the original poster, lakegirl: May I have the Hebrew name of your son so we may daven for his refuah sheleimah? This sounds pretty serious.
You cannot compare NFL (Or even College Football players) to a bunch of Bochrim. Those guys are steroid induced 300 pounders trying to get you as opposed to a bunch of yeshiva guys more or less the same and the helmets are used as a weapon as well.
By the same take you can say the same for baseball, A hardball thrown at someone (especially their head or groin section) can really hurt someone
im calling penalty here, unnecessary roughness
you cant access the op’s profile, plus she misspelled with (will?) and an exclamation point?
additionally she hasnt posted for two days since, and she hasnt posted on anything else
what is it with these trolls?
it’s dangerous without protection. I was once tackled so I know.
Oh! You think it’s a troll? I didn’t think so at first
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