Soccer role model

Freddy the pig.

I admire the skill of high level athletes and i cheer for the ones who play for my team I in no way look at them as role models.

I know who he is ZD and i admire him for what he has accomplished after his football career not necessarily during but maybe thats just cause i hate the packers.

Lionel Messi is a Soccer player not a Football player and he is an Anti-Semetic player at that

And before someone bothers to mention that the official name of rugby is Rugby Football, that is only due to it’s being an offshoot of true football. American Football, being a further offshoot, certainly cannot claim the name ‘football’ to the exclusion of the original, true game, as recognized by the world’s thinking inhabitants (everywhere except the US of A).

Peyton Manning

Language evolves. The word football means American Football in the American language.

Language evolves. The word football means American Football in the American language.

‘The American language’? Last I checked, you didn’t have a language of your own. The day you’re able to come up with one by yourselves and not butcher someone else’s, you can call your parody of a sport whatever you want. And, as I said, if you wish to have an ‘american football’ discussion, please call it by it’s full name, so that the rest of us (i.e. everywhere except America) can understand. Oh, and the initial poster, the partially hidden one, whilst misinformed, meant real football, hence Lionel Messi.

Oh, and to reiterate, none of them are role models.

as i pointed out elsewhere, most cr posters are american, therefore stam football=american football

Perhaps most CR posters are American, and feel free to use the words sidewalk instead of pavement, pants instead of trousers, or whatever corruption of the english language you think of next. The rest of us will accpet that.

But when the topic is started by somebody who very obviously means real Football (or Soccer), it is too much to expect that the significant minority of non-American posters must have to conform.

Judging by the number of posts last Friday, and the Friday before, not to mention the numerous obviously non-American posters, a sizable number of posters are not from the USA. A bit of common courtesy could be extended by those of the American persuasion, and calling the name of your game by it’s full title would help immensely.

Besides, I was perfectly content to not be moicheh when you were discussing the matter of american ‘football’ between yourselves without specifying, even though this is not what the thread was about (see the thread starters later post). But when an attempt is made to prevent everybody else from referring to Football (Soccer) by it’s proper name, it is too much to assume that we must refer to it as ‘soccer’, as opposed to it’s real name.

So if everybody could please call both sports by their official names, as recognized worldwide, this would avoid confusion and keep harmony between posters on this international frum forum.

Yes, we made up the word, as I said before, but it is only a slang word for football. Worldwide, the sport is known as football, and as that is what it has always been called, it shall remain so. I am not asking you to call American football gridiron or whatever. Football is, as you yourself have pointed out, the true name of soccer. Everyone calls it that, and, seeing how it more accurately describes our game than yours, and that we got there first, and that we invented the whole language, in an international conversation respect the facts.

Football = NFL style play

Soccer = What those other countries do chasing and kicking the ball to each other.

There is no term “American Soccer” so by default it is best to use football to mean the oblong pigskin, and soccer to mean that round black and white ball kids use around the world.

Also, sirvoddmort, America does have a language of it’s own. It’s called Spanish. But before Spanish hit the mainstream, EVERY language was borne of stock that predated the language anyone speaks now.

Thank heaven, the Americans do not speak the “Kings English”, to a large degree.

Ironically, sirvoddmort, America still is heavy on ounces and pounds, etc., while kingly influenced countries have moved to metric.

My ears hurt from such a thread. After so much arguing, one forgets the inherent beauty and values of the sport. Just calm down and remember what the thread’s all about.

English is the one language where nobody decides what a word is

All other languages have a consortum that decides what is and what is not a word in that language

And most new words come from American English

FYI you forced english on US, just like the Spanish forced spanish on Latin America and Portugal Forced on Brazil and the French forced french on their former colonies

A thing done intentionally is not a mistake.

It is if the intention is to do that which one has neither the right nor the ability to do, then intending to do it is a mistake. And seeing how most ‘Americanisms’ (a much better term than ‘american english’, seeing how the differences are minimal and Americans speak regular English – or try to – in virtually every respect) are borne from Hollywood or corruptions over time, I think mistake is not too strong a word.

FYI you forced english on US, just like the Spanish forced spanish on Latin America and Portugal Forced on Brazil and the French forced french on their former colonies

And?

We still invented it, developed it and are, right now, by far the best at using it. You still call a sport involving very little foot action ‘football’. And no-ones answered that one yet.

There is no term “American Soccer” so by default it is best to use football to mean the oblong pigskin, and soccer to mean that round black and white ball kids use around the world.

The fact that there is no term ‘American Soccer’ is completely irrelevant. The fact that you (plural) chose to misname your sport after ours, despite the fact Gridiron is much closer to Rugby than football, is none of our concern, and does not mean we must stop calling our sport what we’ve always called it to make way for your mistakes.

It’s a bit confusing attempting to conduct the same argument over two threads, so I’ll focus here on the English language, and regarding the Football/American Football debate, in the Soccer thread (the changing of the title made me lose any confidence I might have had in the moderators).

You’re right, Yekke.

Voddmart, I’m sorry about my precious post. I judged you by one thread, and not judging people is something I am passionate about, so I really feel bad. Dunno what happened to me there. I have asked the mods to remove that post.

Yekke, thanks a lot for the support. Glad you approve. Still, I was kinda enjoying the whole ‘one man crusade against the devaluing of the English language in particular and sport in general’ thing.

And LG, ease up. What you preciously posted (I think you mean previously) was neither mean nor judgmental, and is probably one I would make, and probably have at some point made, especially when faced with perceived excessive nationalism. Although yekke2 is right, my argument did not stem from nationalistic pride, simply supporting my point as regards the language.

But it is worth keeping one thing in mind. I don’t actually really care about what I argue about, as regards essentially pointless issues such as language or nationality (except football, I’ll defend that to the death), I do it for the love of arguing. If I am ever scharf, it is for comic effect, not because I mean it. This is probably an even bigger fault than the one you pointed out but, well, there it is.

Duke

I am going to dredge up this old thread for the purpose of answering a question put to me in a recent thread.

And because I would like to have the last word on this matter.

BTGuy, I don’t know if you are still active in any respect, but I seem to recall answering this question on a separate thread. I will quickly repeat that for your benefit.

Having two names does not make either of them lose their legitimacy. I have no objection to Americans referring to Soccer within their own country, as they have [mis]appropriated the word Football to refer to their inferior form of Rugby, a game that incidentally has no ‘Ball’, which the dictionary defines as being round or at least almost round, and which has no use of the ‘Foot’. But never mind that, amongst themselves they may use whichever term they fancy.

It is when Americans seek to impose their misnomer onto the rest off the world, i.e. the civilised portion who recognise Football/Soccer as a better, more skilful and more enjoyable pursuit, that I take umbrage.

‘Soccer’, as has been pointed out, is a word that stems from the official name of the sport, Association Football. It is basically a slang term for Football. The name of the game is Football, the Association part refers to the particular set of codified rules. So the name actually is Football, and it can also be referred to as Soccer. We choose to refer to it as Football, as is our right both as the ones who got there first and the majority. American Football’s official name is Gridiron Football, the Gridiron referring to the field it is played on, and therefore can be referred to either as American Football, Gridiron (as I have heard it called by Americans) or, amongst Americans, as simply Football.

So your point about Football/Soccer hogging both names, whilst AF only has Football as it’s name, is nonsensical for two reasons. Firstly, as I have said above, even were it true, so what? Why would we change the name we invented, and that is used by the vast majority of the inhabitants of this planet, and got to first, in order to accommodate a country that not only can’t come up with any good sports, it can’t even name them properly. And secondly, your point isn’t correct anyway. AF/Gridiron has plenty of names, more than Soccer/Football even, and therefore can bow to the inevitable and use them when in an international setting such as this forum (if the website wishes to refer to itself as Yeshiva World News then it is only fair it should be international).

And I will not claim for this to be the last word, as you did, to avoid confusion if you are in any way unable to answer.