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We don’t have a lot of options for kosher meat where we live, so when we get ground beef, we extend it with ground turkey or chicken. When I mentioned this to someone in my shul, he said that by mixing the two it makes them both treif. When I asked the rabbi he said that no, of course not. They’re still kosher. (Providing both were kosher in the first place.) I had never heard this before. Does anyone else have any input on this? Would any mashgichim out there care to weigh in?
This time the rabbi’s right.
I’ve never heard of that. My mother would make a dish for yom tov with ground chicken and beef (although she didn’t mix them together – they were separate parts of the same dish, and were cooked together.)
You don’t need a mashgiach to answer this.
Mixing different types of meat, or meat and poultry, is perfectly fine.
Milk and meat: Not good.
Meat (or poultry) and fish: also Not good, but different than meat and milk.
There are some people who have a minhag passed down in their families not to eat fish and dairy together. An interesting custom that the more learned members of the CR can tell you a lot about. (Some are of the opinion that it’s based partially on a typo. Others disagree.) It makes the classic lox and cream cheese a no-no. Most of us don’t need to worry about it.
By the way, Who was this “someone” in your shul? I’d avoid going to him for advice on Halachic matters.
Classic am haaretz!
1. The question is whether there is an issue of shatnez. Assuming the dead animals were kosher and slaughtered properly (e.g. you are mixing beef and mutton), that’s not a problem but it might be worth asking. However if you bred the animals together it might raise an issue, and with modern technology it might be possible to produce a sheep/cow chimera (i.e. a living cow/sheep mixture), which would be a new shailoh which will probably get asked some day, when its invented.
2. Fish would be a different issue.
Akuperma, the cow and chicken in question were not cross bred.
they actually sell that in the supermarket, makes the price cheaper and it tastes fine
DaasYochid: In nature difference species do not crossbreed, but the ability to genetically modify organizations raises interesting questions (e.g. a cow that has been modified to produce human milk). Some of the debate over GMO’s is about situations where genes from different animal or plant species are combined in “unnatural” ways (typically to produce healthier food or to facilitate raising them). Is it permitted for Jews to do the cross-breeding, and is it permitted to benefit from (i.e. eat) the results.
I don’t know why you are all jumping the gun to be mattir.
Suppose the beef has some neveilah mixed in–so it is min b’mino so it is batul. Now you mix in some chicken, and it is min b’sh’eino mino and assur because shema yachzor v’yitein taam.
I’m not saying I tracked it all the way through yet, but have you?
Yes.
Give it a rest, pba.
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Haga atzmicha. Are you allowed to mix filler into chopped meat? Are you allowed to make meat balls in tomato sauce?
“Classic” hot dogs are beef/chicken (or turkey).
All sausages have other ingredients.
Why would anyone want a sheepcow?
akuperma: You meant Kilaym (or Kilei B’heimah), not Shatnez.
Aryea: I cannot think of any possible issue with this. Maybe it’s somehow Chukas Akum? (That line was a joke.)
golfer: Even if you hold of no fish and dairy, lox and cream cheese should still be Muttar. Somehow the widespread Minhag on this (and on fish and meat) is clearly against all the Poskim, who clearly say the only issue is if they were cooked together.
Are you allowed to mix filler into chopped meat?
Well, that also has a problem of geneiva
To get a very large sheep with extra wool and tons of milk.
(That line was a joke.)
A plagiarized one.
Well, that also has a problem of geneiva
If you’re the butcher and you don’t disclose. Same with beef/chicken.
If you’re the cook, they’re both fine.
Actually, this subject came up at our gemara shiur. Crossbreeding is forbidden but one is allowed to benefit from the results of crossbreeding ( I.e. tangerines )
1. I meant keloiim not shatnez.
2. Tangerines are not a problem, “tangelos” are.
3. When they start producing chimeras on a commercial basis, it will get poskened. Few rabbanim read hard science fiction and none answer shailohs that don’t exist yet.
I meant keloiim not shatnez.
How is either related to mixing ground beef with ground fowl?
Not all crossbreeding yields tangerines.
Actually – My butcher informed me many years ago that you should not mix ground liver and any other ground meat because it was kashered differently.
My butcher informed me many years ago that you should not mix ground liver and any other ground meat because it was kashered differently.
So what?
Bklynmom: I don’t think your butcher is correct.
Aryea, of COURSE you can mix beef and chicken/turkey, veal, whatever, together. No kashrus problem, and many kosher stores sell bee/turkey chopped meat, and it is less fatty, less cholesterol, and lower in calories than traditional chopped meat, with no loss of taste.
As to liver and meat – kashered meat is kashered meat. Did you know you could technically kasher beef the same way you kasher the liver? The only reason we kasher liver as we do, is that it cannot be completely kashered through regular kashering means (i.e. soaking and salting). The blood will not completely come out unless it is broiled. Instead of asking your butcher (unless he is a rov), ask you LOR for his informed input.
Bklynm123, while I would hope that your butcher has at least a rudimentary knowledge of the Halachos pertaining to the preparation of kosher meat, you’re probably better off getting your instructions from your Rav.
I’m not sure I know what your butcher was talking about.
And I’m quite sure he didn’t know what he was talking about.
But I would add that with regard to taste and texture, not laws of Kashrus, I would not mix ground meats with ground liver in cooking.
This reminds me of the evening halacha shiur at Neve Yerushalayim 20 years ago, taught by Rabbi Moshe Dombey ZT”L.
He prefaced the series about basar’v’chalav by pointing out that kashrus is one of the few areas of halacha in which, the less someone knows, the stricter he or she will be.
It seems that the person who originally told you that you can’t mix beef with chicken (or veal or whatever) got SOMETHING wrong, but it seemed right to him.
What the butcher may have been referring to is liver that was kashered after three days; in which case it could not be cooked. If mixed with other meat and then cooked or reheated, it would be a problem.
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