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is it possible that ufo’s exist?
I read this by aryeh kaplan and wanted to know what you guys think ?
One of the first to discuss the question of extraterrestrial life in general was Rabbi Chasdai Crescas (Or Hashem 4:2). After a lengthy discussion, he comes to the conclusion that there is nothing in Jewish theology to preclude the existence of life on other worlds. As possible evidence for extraterrestrial life, he quotes the Talmudic teaching (Avoda Zara 3b) that “God flies through 18,000 worlds.” Since they require His providence, we may assume that they are inhabited. we find the opinion of the Sefer Habris who states that extraterrestrial life does exist, but that it does not possess free will. The latter is the exclusive possession of man, for whom the universe was created. The 18,000 worlds mentioned earlier, in his opinion, are inhabited physical worlds. The proof that he brings for his thesis is most ingenious. In the song of Deborah, we find the verse, “Cursed is Meroz… cursed are its inhabitants” (Judges 5:23). In the Talmud, we find the opinion that Meroz is the name of a star. According to this opinion, the fact that Scripture states, “Cursed is Meroz… cursed are its inhabitants” is clear proof from the words of our Sages for extraterrestrial life.
Of course, even this proof is subject to refutation, for the Zohar also follows the opinion that Meroz is a star, yet states that “its inhabitants” refers to its “camp,” that is, most probably, to the planets surrounding it. Nevertheless, the simple meaning of the verse seems to support the opinion of the Sefer Habris.
The Sefer Habris goes on to say that we should not expect the creatures of another world to resemble earthly life, any more than sea creatures resemble those of land.
He further states that although extraterrestrial forms of life may possess intelligence, they certainly cannot have freedom of will. The latter is an exclusive attribute of man, to whom was given the Torah and its commandments. He proves the latter thesis on the basis of the above-mentioned Talmudic teaching that all the stars in the observable universe were created for the sake of man.
Of course it’s possible. I assume none of them are Yiddin or they would have contacted us with tzadah appeals.
The sheidim can be regarded as extra- terrestrial, as the terrestrial world has dimension. Science errs in seeking only water and oxygen based systems.
“Chesed L’Avraham” (the grandfather of the Chida) speaks about what the Zohar discusses about there being seven hidden lands, with various beings living in each land. The Zohar speaks of the inhabitants of one of the lands called “Neshaya”, where the people are shorter than our people. The Chesed L’Avraham says that the world is essentially hollow, with various layers, like the layers of an onion, and he describes the inhabitants of “Neshaya” as having large heads, small bodies, no ears or noses, only holes, and a small slit for a mouth, and large black eyes. He says that these people do take people sometimes briefly for their needs. Sounds like “grey aliens”. Probably what people think are the aliens from other planets are actually the people from Neshaya under the earth. It is still possible though that there is life on other planets, but those who abduct people are probably closer to us than other planets.
The Me’am Loez on Parshes Berashis (Daf Nun or Nun Aleph) talks about Aliens. He writes that there are aliens with a human head and horse body; like a Centaurs. He also writes there are planets where there are very handsome people, but they cannot grow food. They come to this world to eat people! Speaking of Alien Abduction!
Most interesting
There are discussions in our tradition of sentient non-humans, as well as of additional worlds (or universes, which could be parallel universes). The question as to whether a non-human could convert has never been addressed since we have yet to meet a sentient non-human (outside of science fiction literature). Those goyim (the so-called “fundamentalists”) who hold that the “King James Version” of Taanach is the absolute and only truth and must be understood without reference to any external sources, get freaked out over the possibility of life on other worlds – but that shouldn’t be an issue for any of us since we hold by Torah she baal peh.
akuperma- I don’t understand what you’re saying. please rephrase.
I dont understand how Hashems providence is proof of extraterrestrials. Hashem is called HaMakom- He is everywhere and was metzamtzem Himself so to speak so this world can be created in the space. Hashem knows everything, sees everything. What does flying through 18,000 worlds mean? Isnt He everywhere at all times?
Also what would be the point of extraterrestrials if they have no free choice? Didnt it say Hashem created the world for Yisrael? And didnt he create it so we can choose right and come closer to Him? Extraterrestrials wouldnt have that.
Is it kefira to say there are other worlds with different purposes?
Maybe these places are for neshamos that need to get punished, but dont want to make any more mistakes, so Hashem lets them go to one of these worlds so they can get cleansed.
Just a hypothesis.
Or maybe these places are in a whole different dimension.
After 120 do our neshamos still exist in space as we know it? That was something i was always curious about.
There are two separate ideas of extraterrestrial aliens: life and intelligence.
I’m a Jewish alien with limited intelligence
lol
and i think the torah talks about aliens and sojourners
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