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There seems to be this inyan that people buy milk and eggs before Pesach because of a chashash that there is a small amount of chometz in it. On Pesach we don’t use bitul b’shishim but beforehand we do. Therefore people will buy it before Yom Tov. I have heard of this done with milk and eggs but not anything else.
My question is, why don’t we use this idea of being mevatel before Pesach for other food? According to this, any regular Kosher food item that does not have chometz in the ingredients should be able to be bought before Yom Tov and be considered “kosher l’Pesach” through bittul. For example, rather than paying through the roof for “kosher l’Pesach yogurt”, just buy regular kosher yogurt before Pesach and rely on bittul. Does anyone do this and if not, why not? What is special about milk and eggs?
How can eggs have chametz?
Bitul issur lichatchila, not shishim, davar hamaamad, nosein taam. need I go on. people don’t buy things to be mivatel them on purpose, it’s a chumra. All part of the prepesach ocd/super hekpeida (depends who u ask the arizal or r dr twerski(; )
on the shell. From the cage.
It’s not about a Chashash Chimutz. It’s a Gemara in Temurah (maybe Me’ilah) that a calf that grew up its entire life eating only Issurei Hana’ah is Treif (the Rishonim discuss a Zeh V’zeh Gorem issue and what if it eats both Tarfus and other stuff; there is also a strange Taz which extends it to all Ma’achalos Asuros, not just Issurei Hana’ah). So the issue is that if the cows and chickens eat Chametz, the milk and eggs could have a status of something that grew only because of Issurei Hana’ah. (And when something is Assur B’mashehu we say that Zeh V’zeh Gorem is Assur, so there’s that issue too. If you assume that the cow’s nourishment and body combine to produce the milk, which we Halachically do, then the milk that was produced because of nourishment from Chametz on Pesach should be Assur.)
We cannot be M’vatel Chametz before it becomes Assur because we hold that since Chametz is an Issur Mashehu, it’s Chozer V’neor on Pesach and becomes Assur, even if it’s .00001% of the mixture when Pesach starts. Eggs and milk are an entirely separate issue, as I explained above. The reason not all eggs and milk are Assur on Pesach is because since the Chametz was only a Zeh V’zeh Gorem and is completely gone without a trace before Pesach, then we say that it was completely gone was Pesach started, not just Batel.
So what does it help to BUY it before Pesach? What has your ownership got to do with the status of the Chometz inside it? If it is (or WOULD be) Bottul, why should you need to buy it first?
yekke: It’s not Batel. It’s just a Gorem. It’s not Shayach to say Zeh V’zeh Gorem when both are Muttar (milk before Pesach). It’s only an issue of Zeh V’zeh Gorem on Pesach. It’s not about buying before Pesach. It’s about not buying milk that was milked on Pesach. So the first day of Chol Hamoed is fine also as long as you don’t live right next to a farm. You can also check the expiration date and if it expires on or right after Pesach, you know it was milked long before.
42: Did you not see my answer? Eggs and milk have nothing to do with Bittul L’chatchilah.
Also, concepts like Davar Hama’amid don’t matter to Chamezt because Chametz is Oser B’mashehu. It doesn’t matter if it’s there. So even if you don’t want something from the assembly line in your food, unless it’s actually Nosein Ta’am Lifgam then it becomes Assur and Bittul is irrelevant.
The kitzur shulchan aruch mentions that some are nooheg not to drink the milk of cowss fed chametz on pesach. He doesn’t discuss the lomdus. Behind minhag but does write that chalila to be mevatel it.
42: Chametz isn’t Batel B’shishim on Pesach. Why would it be Batel before? We say Chozer V’neor. By your logic, why not say Bittul B’rov?
That aside, Chametz before Pesach is a D’var Heter, not Issur. There is a significant number of Achronim (spearheaded by the Chochmas Adam) who hold that the whole concept of Bittul is never Shayach by Heter.
Sam2: What about meat? I don’t recall ever seeing that meat has to be bought, slaughtered, or even born before Pesach.
Dash: Someone asked R’ Schachter about that. I don’t remember the answer. I think it’s Pashut in the Mishnah, though, which only Assers a “B’heimah Shenispatma Kol Y’mei Chayeha Mei’Issurei Hanaa’h”.
Sam2 –
We cannot be M’vatel Chametz before it becomes Assur because we hold that since Chametz is an Issur Mashehu, it’s Chozer V’neor on Pesach and becomes Assur, even if it’s .00001% of the mixture when Pesach starts.
You’re entitled to hold this way, but the mechaber (OC 447:4) cites an opinion that says chametz is batel before Pesach, and the Rema says that the minhag is to rely on this when the dealing with lach. Not only that, but the Mishna Berura says on the spot that if a dry item fell into a mixture 60 times its size, you may cook it l’chatchila before Pesach until it dissolves and thereby becomes lach and batel, and then eat it on Pesach. Therefore, people buying their non-certified yogurt that was manufactured before Pesach are certainly resting on large shoulders.
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