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March 23, 2014 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #612423popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Popa, who is so wise, figured out how to make a shidduch crisis without even any population growth. (You may call me the devil, if you so wish.)
Suppose in year one everyone above 24 is married, and below 24 is unmarried. There are 100 girls and 100 boys in each year (all twins, one boy and one girl).
Now, in year one, the 100 24 year old boys marry the 100 24 year old girls. Mazel tov, everyone happy. And that is what has been happening forever.
But, in year two, the girls chap a mishegas that they want to get married at 23. And the boys always want the youngest they can get, because then it will be longer before she is old and like his mother and yells at him for drinking too much and going outside without a coat.
So, in year two, the 24 year old boys marry all the 23 year old girls. And the 24 year old girls are like, what about us? But everyone is too busy going to weddings to care. Because at weddings, there is a shmorg, but at not weddings, there isn’t, so weddings beats not weddings any day.
And in year three, the then 24 year old boys marry the then 23 year old girls, and they are happy. But the 24 year old girls from year two are now 25 and are not happy.
And so on in years 4 through 53. In year 54, the 24 year old boys marry the 23 year old girls and are happy. And the girls from year two are still single.
So you see, we can have age gap crisis without even population growth. All you need is a one time mishegas, and some get left over, and then there’s competition. Because in real life, some of those girls in year 2 did marry the 24 year olds anyway–it was just a big competition. And in every succeeding year it was another big competition as all the 23+ girls tried to get those 100 boys.
And then eventually some of the 22 year olds figure they better get in the action to have more bites at the apple. And that just exacerbates it further. And then the 19 year olds also get in the action, and it just exacerbates it further.
And sure, at the end of the day, there are the same number of boys as girls. Just the boys are 23 and the girls are 40 and they don’t want to date each other.
March 23, 2014 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1008811☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYour way, there’s a kitzvah. Eventually, there are only 19 year olds left to marry.
The real way, the numbers keep increasing, and it’s an ongoing problem.
March 23, 2014 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1008812popa_bar_abbaParticipantNo, why? The 100 boys keep marrying only 100 out of the pool of 19-24, and every year some girls turn 25 who weren’t chapped yet.
March 23, 2014 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #1008813☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBecause at that point they will all be chapped, and there won’t be any 20+ year olds left.
March 23, 2014 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1008814popa_bar_abbaParticipantPut a numerical example
March 23, 2014 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1008815☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAfter year 5, 100 23 year olds will marry 100 19 year olds. In year 6, when the 23 year olds look at the shidduch pool, they might find a few 24 year olds, 23 yrar olds, and 22 and 21 year olds, but no 20 year olds, because they all got married. In year seven, there won’t be any 20 or 21 year olds; they will have all gotten married in the past two years. Etc.
So after 10 years, your pool of 19-24 year old girls consists of exactly 100 19 year olds.
March 23, 2014 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1008816golferParticipantI read your whole post, pba.
Very well thought out. Very well written.
Seems to me the “se’ohr she’ba’issa” here is, as you describe it – The Shmorg.
So if we can get everyone to eliminate that frenzy of excessive consumption before the Chuppa, we’ve solved your crisis.
March 23, 2014 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1008817popa_bar_abbaParticipantDY:
In your example you have in year 5 all the boys deciding to marry 19 year olds. Ok, so the the next year the boys can do the same thing with the new 19 year olds.
March 23, 2014 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1008818☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhat does Oorah’s video have to do with this?
March 23, 2014 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1008819☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPopa, right, ad infinitum (v’ad bichlal). So where’s the shortfall, other than in the original several hundred (now older) girls?
March 23, 2014 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1008820popa_bar_abbaParticipantWell, the problem is that the NASI people perpetuate the crisis by having boys marry older girls!
March 23, 2014 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #1008822☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPopa, I thank you for dedicating this very entertaining troll thread to me.
March 23, 2014 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1008823Torah613TorahParticipantPopa, may I respectfully disagree.
Hashem created Chava after Adam was created. So Chava was younger than Adam.
So there is no shidduch crisis. Women were younger than men from the very beginning.
March 23, 2014 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1008824popa_bar_abbaParticipantAh yes. The old odom and chava argument.
Well, if you want to have your kids fighting like kayin and hevel, then do like them.
March 23, 2014 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1008825popa_bar_abbaParticipantAZ? Any response?
March 23, 2014 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1008826HaLeiViParticipantActually the crisis by Kayin and Hevel was over someone their own age.
March 24, 2014 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1008827YW Moderator-42Moderator+1
March 24, 2014 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1008828YW Moderator-42Moderator-1
(Just to even things out and avoid a crisis)
March 24, 2014 11:33 am at 11:33 am #1008829☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantlol 42 (41-43?)
March 24, 2014 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1008830squeakParticipantA hundred years later, all the girls from year 2 are long dead and forgotten, and no one is left to make the 24 year old boys feel guilty for going out with 23 year old girls. Everyone has a chance at a match and peace reigns on Earth.
March 24, 2014 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1008831popa_bar_abbaParticipantA hundred years later, all the girls from year 2 are long dead and forgotten, and no one is left to make the 24 year old boys feel guilty for going out with 23 year old girls. Everyone has a chance at a match and peace reigns on Earth.
Right.
Unless Al Zone convinces some of the 24b’s to marry some of the 26g’s and then the crisis just lasts forever.
March 24, 2014 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1008832Torah613TorahParticipantI think that the girls who believe in the shidduch crisis have a harder time getting married.
The proof is, that the older an unmarried girl is, the more likely she is to believe in the shidduch crisis.
March 24, 2014 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #1008833☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantUnless Al Zone convinces some of the 24b’s to marry some of the 26g’s and then the crisis just lasts forever.
No, because if 26 year old girls are still in the shidduch pool, and there are enough boys for them, there is no crisis.
In other words, yes, that will leave out some of the younger ones, but they can still get married later.
Of course, in a world in which there were no population growth, ch”v, NASI wouldn’t need to convince anyone to marry older girls, and Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz would have to find other ads to fill the pages of his publication.
March 24, 2014 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1008834☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLol Torah613.
I think believing in the shidduch crisis causes financial and metabolic challenges.
The truth is, you bring up a very fair point, that it is unhealthy and counterproductive for a girl to stress over the numbers issues. I think that it must be stressed to any individual girl that, 1) first and foremost, HKB”H runs the world 2) even b’derech hateva, any individual’s chances of finding a shidduch are excellent, provided she (or he, for that matter) has her (his) priorities in order.
The age gap is more of an issue for society to deal with than for single girls to deal with.
March 24, 2014 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1008835Avram in MDParticipantAvram in MD, who is so wise, figured out how to make romaine lettuce that doesn’t ever need to be checked. (You may call me the devil, if you so wish.)
Suppose you have a world with no bugs in it. None. And then you grow some romaine lettuce. You don’t need to check that lettuce before you use it for maror, or on a sandwich, or in a salad. Because there are no bugs. It’s that simple.
And of course this is totally applicable to the real world. 🙂
March 24, 2014 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1008836popa_bar_abbaParticipantlol
But suppose Al Zore told you that the world had bugs, and that you should fix the bug problem in your romaine lettuce by marrying a girl older than you are. Is that really any better than just using false premises?
March 24, 2014 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1008837☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo popa would solve the shidduch crisis with a light box?
(What false premises?)
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