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  • February 24, 2014 1:13 am at 1:13 am #612202
    beter
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    It seems to me that there is no mention in Nach of our biggest mitzvah – Talmud Torah?!

    February 24, 2014 1:31 am at 1:31 am #1004931
    beter
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    To clarify my question: I find it troubling that about 400 years after Mayan Torah, the neviim and everybody else in Nach don’t seem to ever learn Torah or quote it even! Where was Torah then? How can it be that everybody forgot or didn’t realize its importance?!

    February 24, 2014 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1004932
    nishtdayngesheft
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    How knowledgeable are you of ??? to make such a statement? Seems that you are not very.

    February 24, 2014 1:41 am at 1:41 am #1004933
    E-O-M
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    Perhaps it was such a given, there was no other way- so it wasn’t mentioned as it was a assumed premise.

    As much of a fabric of Jewish life as involuntary human reflexes. There is no mention in nach of anyone breathing, blinking etc same with learning.

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    #Notarabbi

    February 24, 2014 2:07 am at 2:07 am #1004934
    Ctrl Alt Del
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    EOM, what a nudnik answer. In all likelihood it was probably much like today. With those that learned full time and those that worked. People who were the gedolim and people who were simple supporters of torah. Given the wealth of halacha regarding the intersection of agriculture and laborers, there was probably a large contingent of “amei ha’aretz” too.

    February 24, 2014 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1004935
    Little Froggie
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    Let’s try. At the beginning, the VERY beginning of Yehoshua, we find explicitly ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????. That was said to the conquering general and army. That was to be the main mission of the nation. And it was.

    We find Nach replete with meforshim saying how diligent they were in regard to Torah study. How generals at war had Torah on their mouths and mind. David haMelech would “talk in learning” when visiting with kings. ?????? ??????? ??? ?????. Anyone remember the query how an amputee does Chalitza? Or ???? ???, or ????? ???? ????? ?????, where these questions were asked? In the field, while running, engaging the enemy… As EOM (end of message?) so eloquently wrote: Torah was and is as much of a fabric of Jewish life as involuntary human reflexes.

    February 24, 2014 2:23 am at 2:23 am #1004936
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    EOM, that’s the standard answer I got when I asked a couple of conventional rabbis; not very satisfactory, because it’s blatant – I mean NO mention. It is our greatest mitzvah nowadays, k’neged kulam and we don’t see it anywhere in Nach, not really. When did this mitzvah start?

    CtlAltDel, look at all the neviim rebuking kings, etc, – these are not amey haaretz; not even a single quote/pasuk. How can it be?! And, how about the famous machlokos in the gemarah – in Nach, they all knew the answers and there was nothing to discuss? Please note that I am referring to Nach proper, not to midrashic interpretations of Nach passages.

    This is a question that could, h”vsh weaken someone’s emuna. Anyone knows any meforshim who raise it?

    February 24, 2014 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1004937
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    My educated guess is that there is NO way torah and its study was similar in the times of the early prophets to the way we know it today.

    The Am ha’aretz of back then would probably be what people consider a rabbi today.

    The reason for mahlokot later on probably came as a result of 2 exiles, which prove to be very taxing on the jewish people and our culture.

    I would assume that the Torah that was learned back then was amazingly expansive, and the only questions were philosophic and interpretational, not halachic- how could you have the questions like washing on pizza when you lived in a generation so close to moshe and matan Torah?

    February 24, 2014 2:59 am at 2:59 am #1004938
    Logician
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    Until Hillel and Shamai, there was ONE machlokes in Torah. Period. (about semichah).

    And Froggie did quote THE pasuk in regard to learning, the one from where we see its a chiyuv every (available) moment, at the very beginning of Nach.

    And why exactly are you not accepting of Chazal’s interpretations of the pseukim ?

    A question is fine. The provocative “when did this mitzvah start”, applied to this clear and well discussed mitzvah, is not.

    Methinks the issue in Emunah we have here is not the result of this question…

    And that we should educate ourselves a bit before asking grand sweeping questions of such nature.

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