Do you care about the royal baby?

nope

Americans have no royal family. That’s why Obama can get away with same insulting and obnoxious things, and people (many on this site) can say insulting and obnoxious things back at him.

The British monarchy, at least as it exists today (and sort of exists in the commonwealth “realms”) is apolitical. It would be nice if there were someone in Washington who was apolitical (who could be the “adult in the room” when the politicians gather). Even if you ignore the biological connections to the British (almost everyone in Britian other than a recent immigrant is related to the royal family if you go back to its origins a millenia ago), it’s nice to have a family that are public-spirited celebrities that serve the country and the people, but aren’t tools of partisan bickering.

Not to mention babies are inherently good, which is why Ha-Shem makes so many of them.

The British Royal Family is definitely the subject of varying opinions as to whether we say the brocha for seeing a royal person. I certainly hope for the best for the baby and the entire royal family. That’s my point of view as a Jew.

However, as to the tabloid coverage, these are publications that have absolutely no intellectual content, and with the exception of some technicalities are no better than pornography. At the very least, they get into discussions as to the personal lives of “celebrities” that are nobody’s business. So as to their coverage of the Royal Family and the expected baby, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever.

“the prevailing moral lewdness in society”

British royalty, and in fact European royalty in general, have long been notorious for their promiscuity and hedonism. You can get away with that when the ordinary rules of society don’t apply to you. Abarvenal was 100% correct in his assessment of monarchy.

That said, I wish the new baby all the best; may he be able to avoid harassment by the Paparazzi as well as public scandals.

Im proud to say I knew nothing about this until this thread and hope to know nothing more about this.

baby? What royal baby? 🙂

zahavasdad: Actually that isn’t yet true. The proposed law only becomes effective once all British Commonwealth nations ratify it into law, something that has yet to occur. Otherwise what could happen is that the different Commonwealth nations could have different Monarchs.

Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heir

Its actually a bigger issue in Japan, the Emperor there is a line for 1400 years. The son of the Emperor has 2 daughters and no male heir

That’s not technically correct. The Emperor’s *first* son has two daughters. His second son, however, has two daughters and a son.

For a long time, succession was a looming problem in Japan, as no males were born into the royal family in over 40 years.For a time, they were considering changing the rules. However, that became moot when Prince Akishino (the Emperor’s second son) had a baby boy (Hisahito) in 2006.

Eventually, the throne will go from Akihito (the current Emperor) to his first son (Nurahito) and then to his second son and then his grandson.

The Wolf

If Nurahito has a son in the future that new son will become Emperor rather than Akishino.

I am not a British Royal… although I play one on TV.

Any opinions on the “Jewishness” of the royal baby? It seems like a load of conspiracies to me from unreliable sources, and yet there has to be some truth within all the garbage. Sad how far back assimilation dates. I’d love to hear from any genealogists out here.

Mammale, I have heard those rumors as well though I have no idea how factual they are.

If the Royal Baby is in fact Jewish then I care for him as I care for any other Jew, even if his father is not a Jew. I would hope that he has a Kosher bris b’kzmano.

To answer the genealogy question – There is considerable evidence that there was a Jewish principality in 9th century Languedoc centered on Narbonne. Contemporary chroniclers have written about it and our own sources, like Binyomin of Tudela writing a few hundred years later describes Narbonne as where the “zera hamalchus” resides when he meets the community’s leaders.

The family of the leaders of this principality, descended from someone named Machir of Narbonne, might coincide with a branch of the family of the Resh Galuta in Bavel being exiled in favour of another branch (see Otzar Hagedolim on the R’G Natronai II) and traveling from Bavel to this part of the Jewish world, as is described in some sources (For this you will have to read the very hard to find “A Jewish Principality in Feudal France” by Columbia U professor Arthur Zuckerman).

Eventually some of the descendants of these leaders assimilated, particularly the descendants of Guillaume De Gellone, of the family of Machir, though he himself apparently did not. These descendants married into several royal families of Europe, including the Boullion family who became “Kings of Jerusalem” during the Masaei Hatzlav, who eventually became the house of Anjou (Think Richard I), and whose descendants are all over Europe today including the British royal family.

From our Jewish perspective, there may be some further support for some of this narrative, including more snippets and fragments from Jewish travelers and from Rabbinic genealogies, and the family of Rav Shmuel Ben Natronai, the Rishon from whom the Margoliyos family ultimately descended, also came from this area of Languedoc, and the name Natronai is clearly from Bavel and exceedingly rare among Ashkenazi Jews. (I have only found it twice among Rishonim, and this is one of them)

Is there some proof to this or did the royals (formerly just rich guys) simply want to prove royalty so they latched on to Beis Dovid, as some have postulated?

It is definitely a momentous occasion in the life of the British nation. Also, possibly for citizens of the realms of Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. The Monarchy is a stabilising influence on political and social life in Britain.

There was talk that Mrs Middleton, who’s maiden name is Goldsmith may have had Jewish roots. However, this has been disproven.

We now have 3 living direct heirs to the Throne for the first time since Queen Victoria’s time. I’m sure there will be a slight addition to ‘Hanosein Tshua’ this Shabbos.

May the Malchus shel Chesed continue to be benevolent to the yieden, until the time when we enter Malcus shel melech haMoshiach.

People who do not live in a monarchy cannot understand the patriotism that comes with it. This baby will be king one day. Of course I care.

Ive seen so much stuff about thid royal baby and havent bothered to read anything so until now i assumed he was jewish since all jews seem to have artucles or sales based on his birth and ingeretance, like some place is having free teabags or something, maybe he is from england???? I really have no idea. But i think we should spend time thinking about other things than goyishe princes…

what did they name him??? i’m waiting for a name!!!!

moishyk – ya gotta wait for the bris!

I’m sure that all the Brits here care. i definitely do. I drank lechayim to celebrate the birth = on cold wine BTW

The little prince has been named George, Alexander, Louis.

They are waiting for the 8th day to name him because after all – he is a Brit!”

GOOD ONE!

wolf- can we shmooze photography? i started a thread awhile ago on it but it died.

WIY – like I said before, it’s not cause they may be celebrities, it’s because this baby will be King on day and that’s why everyone make such a fuss over him. In the same way that the parents’ wedding was hyped up because Prince William is the future King. For your information, there was no fuss made over any of his cousins’ weddings, nor when they had children, because they are not in direct line to the throne.

To be honest, I am getting a little tired of repeating myself because people obviously don’t realise the significance of this event.