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I recently met a man who lives in Israel. He was born and raised in Yemen, and went to Israel on Operation Magic Carpet. I asked his son-in-law if his father had his peyos cut off when he landed, as has often been alleged.
He replied, “I asked him that years ago. You won’t believe what he told me! He said the Zionists did NOT cut off anyone’s peyos! After the horrors they went through, most of the men asked for a pair of scissors, and cut off their peyos by themselves! Yes, the Israelis gave them the scissors, and weren’t upset about it, but the Yemenites wanted to cut them off. Those who wanted to keep them were allowed to.”
This bolsters the fact that the Zionists are Ohavei Yisroel who never forced anyone to violate hilchos Peyos, and we have to celabrate Yom ha’Atzmaut beNefesh Hafeitzoh.
That the Israelis cut off the Teimanim’s payos is a well documented fact that not only will the many Teimanim relate it but even the zionists don’t deny this well established historical record.
DaMoshe: Cutting off the Peyos was the least of the crimes committed against the Teimanim. I don’t know or care whether they did it. I actually doubt that they did. Kidnapping babies was the real crime there. In fact, those who harp on the cutting of the Peyos do a massive disservice to the wronged in the Yemenite community.
I think that the phrase “cutting off peyos” is a shorthand or euphemism for forcing the Teimanim to abandon Torah (which, in its most extreme form, included kidnapping babies).
Da Moshe -Thanks for your Zionist propaganda that is rewriting history, but here is the truth:
“The Story of the Yemenite Jewish Community 1948-1952
excerpt from Genocide in the Holy Land by Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld
These events were even born out by the report of the Commission appointed by the Zionist government to investigate the conditions in the camps after protests by religious elements. After visiting all the camps and listening to 181 witnesses, this Commission officially reported that:
1.Anti-religious prejudices and acts were openly initiated by camp officials and counselors.
3.Peyos (sidelocks) of religious Yemenite children were systematically cut off, and were clearly untended as an anti- religious act.
4.Some camps allowed a systematic abuse of religion. Religious children were weaned away from their religion, and parents were intimidated into accepting a non-religious education for their children.
5.Children in UJA supported camps were told that in Israel there was no Sabbath as in the Diaspora, that there is no G-d, and that all religious observances are rubbish.
Religious Jews who sought access to these camps to assist the Yemenites were refused entry or discriminated against by the Zionist overseers. Sanctions were imposed against those who tried to promote religious studies in the camps, children who studied Torah and their parents! The non-religious staff flaunted their disregard for religion in front of the pious Yemenites and encouraged dancing and other social activities between boys and girls, something thoroughly forbidden by Judaism.
As is typical of their practice against their Jewish opponents everywhere, the Zionists resorted to threats, penalties, intimidation and strong-arm methods. Even the religious Zionist newspaper Hatsofeh reported on December 12, 1955 that in the settlement of Achuzam,
Yemenite babies were taken from their parents
on the pretext of giving them medical attention.The Zionists undertook a systematic campaign throughout the locations where they settled Yemenite Jews to discourage them from remaining loyal to Judaism in favor of the godless bliss of the Zionist Paradise. It is widely known, and investigations in the Zionist state itself confirmed, that the Zionists even took away newborn babies to give them to childless couples, and told the natural parents that the children had died of illness.
Treatment similar to that experienced by the Yemenite Jews was experienced by Jews from Morocco, Iraq, Tunisia and Libya.”
health- let’s differentiate truth from propaganda. R’Moshe Shconfeld z’l was a politician who bent the truth as much as any politician. I don’t know what exactly happened but I think that the inquiry mentioned by DaMoshe is at least as authoritative as Moshe Shonfeld’s article.
ROB =”health- let’s differentiate truth from propaganda.”
The propaganda is from the Zionists and the truth is from what I posted.
“R’Moshe Shconfeld z’l was a politician who bent the truth as much as any politician. I don’t know what exactly happened but I think that the inquiry mentioned by DaMoshe is at least as authoritative as Moshe Shonfeld’s article.”
This is a simple lie.
“DaMoshe -Moshe Shonfeld’s books were published by Neturei Karta. I don’t believe anything put out by that terrible group. Let Shonfeld preach his lies to Iran and the Palestinians, his true friends.”
You people were just Oiver Tofalnu Sheker, but it’s Not surpising because I attacked your Zionist idol. This is why you refuse to acknowlege the truth of the Evil Zionists.
Here is an article that confirms what I posted above, but I’m sure she must be NK. You two are No different than any Holocaust revisionist!
I didn’t quote the whole article, but this is enough:
“Shoshana Madmoni-Gerber
Source: leftcurve.org
[1]
(Nurse Ruja Kuchinski, 1996)
Through extensive research, and interviews with dozens of families, activists and journalists, I discovered that while the Israeli government and the public have tried to forget and silence this Affair, Yemenite families continue to suffer from their terrible loss.
In this essay, I argue that public efforts to silence and deny this affair contribute to the ongoing intra-Jewish rift and racism in Israeli society today. Moreover, the question of if and how this story will be remembered in the public sphere will strongly influence the identity formation of Yemenite and Mizrahi children of future generations.
What is the Yemenite Babies Affair?
During the mass immigration to Israel from 1948 to the early 1950s, hundreds if not thousands [2] [4] were in better condition than the tents and tin structures that sheltered the parents. Babies were usually taken from the baby houses without parental knowledge or consent. Parents who were present and refused consent reported that camp authorities forcefully took their children from them, even acting violently.[4]
1. The nurse was audio taped by Avner Farhi, whose sister was kidnapped from Ein-Shemer Camp in 1950.
health- You are quoting a professor who wrote a book on this and herself writes ( from the review) : “still unresolved….alleged kidnappings…”
Something may have happened then and there are conflicting reports what really happened. I don’t see what the establishment of the medinas has to do with this. These were individual decisions taken by some overzealous people. The main theme of this Professor’s book actually has to do with the discrimination of the so-called “Oriental jews”. Any criticism from your corner is quite rich- seeing that the chareidi world in Israel is routinely discrimanating against sefardim (see Beth Shemesh). Spare me the crocodile tears.
rabbiofberlin -“health- You are quoting a professor who wrote a book on this and herself writes ( from the review) : “still unresolved….alleged kidnappings…”
Something may have happened then and there are conflicting reports what really happened.”
Your denial is outrageous – because of some review that used the word “alleged”. Did you even read any of it? Do you think all these people are just making up stories? Yes, this is exactly what you hear from Holocaust revisionists.
“I don’t see what the establishment of the medinas has to do with this.”
Well maybe read everything I wrote and you’ll see what these Zionists who started the Medina are all about.
“These were individual decisions taken by some overzealous people.”
No, these were Israeli Gov. workers on a mission, probably from higher ups. And this is as good of an excuse as the Nazis claiming -they were just following orders.
“The main theme of this Professor’s book actually has to do with the discrimination of the so-called “Oriental jews”.”
Who cares – it’s irrevelant?
“Any criticism from your corner is quite rich- seeing that the chareidi world in Israel is routinely discrimanating against sefardim (see Beth Shemesh). Spare me the crocodile tears.”
Yes, you are quite right; or are you delusional? Not letting a handful of kids in Yeshiva is the same as kidnapping babies and the parents never seeing them again. And if you read above -this was hundreds of babies, if not thousands.
Great, health, giving authoritative sourcing from leftcurve.org, an organization that does what few can do, make NK look almost rational. Here is how leftcurve describes their own journal, where you got this drivel from.
“Left Curve is an artist-produced journal that addresses the problem(s) of cultural forms emerging from the crises of modernity that strive to be independent from the control of dominant institutions and free from the shackles of instrumental rationality. Our orientation is premised on the recognition of the destructiveness of commodity systems to all life, and the need to build a culture that could potentially create a more harmonious relationship among people, and between the human and natural world. We encourage open, critical, defetishized work that attempts to unravel, reveal contemporary (inner/outer) reality.”
“Free from the shackles of instrumental rationality” indeed.
Thanks Health. I needed a laugh this morning.
health- see posting from yichusdik.
I think you are grasping at the proverbial straws. No one is denying that certain abuses were done to yemenite Jews, including,possibly, the taking of some babies. To make this into an international incident when it is clear that it was the work of some misguided individuals is grasping at straws. And, again, what does Zionism or the establishemnt of the medinah have to do with this?
yichusdik -“Thanks Health. I needed a laugh this morning.”
Oh, I laugh everyday at the Zionist propaganda and lies that fools believe!
It’s unfortunate that the only ones who aren’t scared to spill the beans on the Zionists are either the far left or right. But what they printed was taken from the victims and others who testified what occured then. Yes, most Jews believe in this Zionist Idol, but they are the ones in the dream world. If you have evidence that all this testimony is a fabrication -then present it. Obviously you don’t – otherwise you would have posted it already. Maybe you can fool other Zionists like yourself, but people like me who make decisions based on facts and testimony aren’t fooled by your propaganda and lies.
ROB -“health- see posting from yichusdik.
I think you are grasping at the proverbial straws. No one is denying that certain abuses were done to yemenite Jews, including,possibly, the taking of some babies.”
Certain abuses? Some babies? Hundreds, if not thousands? And you call this proverbial straws?
“To make this into an international incident when it is clear that it was the work of some misguided individuals is grasping at straws.”
You’re right – the religious genocide and kidnapping of babies of Jews from Arab lands isn’t so bad. This is exactly what Holocaust deniers do. They say the few Jews killed in Europe by the Nazis isn’t so bad.
“And, again, what does Zionism or the establishemnt of the medinah have to do with this?”
I’m just showing you how your beloved Zionists acted during the beginning of the Medina, but of course this is a Brocha from Hashem and the Zionists aren’t a bunch of Reshoyim.
health- this will be my last post on this subject. You will continue playing up an incident that may or may not have happened, and clearly was -at worst- an evil thing made by some very misguided individuals.It has absolutely no connection with the establishment of the medinah. Certainly, any person engaged in kidnapping babies should be condemned and punished but it has no connection whatsoever with the medinah or even Zionism.
As far as your general efforts, good luck on persuading the six million jews in israel that the medinah is an evil thing.
One last remark- I find your rantings about all this being like the nazis and Holocaust deniers disgusting.You truly have no shame and you have no idea what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe.
ROB -“You will continue playing up an incident that may or may not have happened, and clearly was -at worst- an evil thing made by some very misguided individuals. It has absolutely no connection with the establishment of the medinah. Certainly, any person engaged in kidnapping babies should be condemned and punished but it has no connection whatsoever with the medinah or even Zionism.”
Again you deny the testimony. Again you deny the Israeli Gov’s responsibility. You obviously missed this paragragh from above:
“Through extensive research, and interviews with dozens of families, activists and journalists, I discovered that while the Israeli government and the public have tried to forget and silence this Affair, Yemenite families continue to suffer from their terrible loss.”
And they will never punish the guilty because this was State-sponsored Evil!
“As far as your general efforts, good luck on persuading the six million jews in israel that the medinah is an evil thing.”
First of all -lots of them aren’t Zionists -some have Charedi philosophy and some are like Western Goyim.
Second of all, I don’t have to convince anybody of anything.
“One last remark- I find your rantings about all this being like the nazis and Holocaust deniers disgusting.You truly have no shame and you have no idea what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe.”
I know what Nazi deniers are, just like I know what deniers of the atrocities that Zionists in the name of the Medina are!
Anyone who denies any atrocity, whether some are worse than others, like the Holocaust is much worse, is No different than Holocaust deniers!
Jews here that are Pro-zionism have denied terrorism on the part of early Zionists and now are denying the atrocities perpertrated against Sefardim by their beloved Medina!
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