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April 10, 2013 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #608934BetShemeshInExileParticipant
Just some food for thought.
If you follow A”T BA”SH GA”R DA”K.
day 1 of Pesach – “T”isha B’av (A”T)
day 2 of Pesach – “Sh”avuos (BA”SH)
day 3 of Pesach – “R”osh Hoshana (GA”R)
day 4 of Pesach – “K”rias Hatorah(simchas torah) (DA”K)
day 5 of Pesach – “Tz”om(Yom Kippur (HA”TZ)
day 6 of Pesach – “P”urim (VA”P)
that always seemed to be where it ends…..
however if you look at a calendar you will see that
day 7 of Pesach will always be the same as 5 Iyar(“A”tzmaut?)
Just sayin….
April 11, 2013 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1066508playtimeMemberWow that is so amazing! That must be a awakening for me, a sign from G-d that there are implications in ???? ????? of Israel Independence Day. I will begin to observe and honor that day with barbeques, just as i observe the other holidays.
I will stand up to the most learned rabbis, and let my position be known.
oh a sign from g-d, it is a sign from g-d
Maybe I will start a new religion,- ’tis a sign from g-d.
la la la
April 11, 2013 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1066509xx ImpersonatorMemberAnd I’m just saying that if the Rabbanim Geonim who instituted this great Yom Tov would have known how much animosity and rift it causes between klal yisroel… they might have held back.
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April 11, 2013 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1066510☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIn other words, if the ones who set 5 Iyar knew A’T BA’SH, there is absolutely zero mathematical significance.
April 11, 2013 1:27 am at 1:27 am #1066511Sam2ParticipantDY: I agree with you. But the ones who set up our calendar knew At Bash. Then again, I don’t think there’s any significance to the whole thing. It’s just a useful mnemonic device. So too here, it’s a useful mnemonic to know when Yom Ha’atzma’ut will fall out.
April 11, 2013 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1066512147ParticipantBetShemeshInExile:- I was already Zoche to hear this facet at a Yom ha’Atzmaut speech during the 1970’s.
But it was great reading this most fascinating item yet again, as we go into Iyor. Thank you so much.
Of-course Israel’s founding fathers had no idea about this, but haShem who orchestrated this wonderful event was absolutely 100% aware of this facet.
April 11, 2013 1:53 am at 1:53 am #1066513Josh31Participant5 Iyar was set by the British, as they decided when to end their mandate and get out.
We will ask them if they knew A”T Bash.
April 11, 2013 2:14 am at 2:14 am #1066514BetShemeshInExileParticipantJosh31 – The point is that they didn’t know. Nor did the non-religious founders of the state know. Had they known and done it on purpose then it would not be meaningful.
The only reason it is meaningful is because this is how it worked out, without it being planned to coincide
April 11, 2013 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1066515147ParticipantBuilding onto BetShemeshInExile great insight, I should also add, it is stated that each Regel has a corresponding holiday:- Shovu’os has Purim [Both had a Kaboloh undertaking]; Sukkos has Chanukah [Porei Chag go down 1 in # everyday as does Beis Shamai’s candles]; Pesach has Yom ha’Atzmaut, as both entail a new founding & Liberation.
April 11, 2013 3:07 am at 3:07 am #1066516☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantJosh, the declaration was read the day before the mandate was set to expire.
How often doed it actually come out on 5? The last few years, it hasn’t.
April 12, 2013 3:22 am at 3:22 am #1066517147ParticipantIn the current system, Yom ha’Atzmaut is only observed on Iyor 5th when it is a Wednesday [Happens in years when R’H shall be Shabbos].
When Iyor 5th is Shabbos, Yom ha’Atzmaut is Mukdom to Thursday Iyor 3rd.
When Iyor 5th is Friday, Yom ha’Atzmaut is Mukdom to Thursday Iyor 4th.
When Iyor 5th is Monday, Yom ha’Atzmaut id Nidche to Tuesday Iyor 6th, so that Yom haZikoron does not come out in juxtoposition to Shabbos, and hence is held off until Sunday nite.
April 12, 2013 3:51 am at 3:51 am #1066518☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThanks, 147.
April 12, 2013 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #1066519popa_bar_abbaParticipantPesach has Yom ha’Atzmaut, as both entail a new founding & Liberation.
No, you are reading the A”t Ba”sh wrong. He notes that the first day of Pesach’s At Bash is Tisha B’av. The corresponding holiday should be the one that corresponds with the first day of pesach.
And the connection is that they are both about reshaim taking over eretz yisroel.
March 25, 2015 9:50 am at 9:50 am #1066520147ParticipantWe are now “Tauch Sheloshim Yom” of Yom ha’Atzma’ut” so have have to commence our preparations for Yom h’Atzma’ut in earnest.
March 25, 2015 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #1066521ChortkovParticipant<groan> How did I know that 147 will be getting excited here before I even clicked on the thread?
March 25, 2015 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1066522Little FroggieParticipantInteresting…
147 said (ok, wrote) that he was zoche to actually see the holy Chafetz Chaim…
Just wondering what his closest Talmid had to say about the medina… (don’t recall anything the Chafetz Chaim said about it, though)
March 25, 2015 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1066523Little FroggieParticipantAnd for the world at large:
SEE
I didn’t start it this year. Left it for someone else. But now I can…
March 26, 2015 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1066524147ParticipantJust wondering what his closest Talmid had to say about the medina… B’H a safe haven for stateless Jews to flee to. If the Medina had been around before the Holocaust, think how many more Jewish lives would have been saved by the Medina.
March 26, 2015 5:07 am at 5:07 am #1066525Little FroggieParticipantI don’t think R. Elchonon was too happy about it!
“If the Medina had been around before the Holocaust..”
We all know what would have happened. Those truly fit for farming, political leaders… etc. Oh yeah, and the one cow for Palestine…
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