Does Anyone Know The Origin Of The Word 'Daven'?

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    on the ball
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    Is it Yiddish, Aramaic, Hebrew?

    #936692
    benignuman
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    Yiddish.

    #936693
    Nechomah
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    I believe it’s Yiddish

    #936694
    akuperma
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    There is a folk story that it comes from “De-Rabanan”.

    I believe more likely it is related to the the English word “devine”, meaning it is of Latin/Old French origin (remember that Asheknazim arrived in German-speaking areas where we invented Yiddish after moving through areas that spoke Latin or other Romance languages, which is where Yiddish picked up some words of Latin origin). Note that “Bentsch” (related to English “benediction”) is also a Yiddish word for a religious term derived from a Latin route.

    #936695
    truthsharer
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    There are lots of thoughts, but Latin, then French seems the most likely.

    #936696

    Look at the 3rd Rashi on Shemos 14:10, “vayitzaku”. The B’nei Yisroel employed the occupation of their ‘avos’, i.e., they prayed. The Aramaic word for ‘avos’ is ‘a-vahan’, hence “D’avahan”, or as we (mis)pronounce it, Daven, means, “of the Fathers”.

    #936697
    shmoolik 1
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    I found this at site called “balashon”

    There are other theories that the word comes from Greek or Turkish.

    #936698

    Comes from the Hebrew “LeDavein” which means to Daven*.

    *Note: This was a joke**

    **Note: A lazy one***

    ***Note: But it’s getting better and better

    #936699
    WIY
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    left to write and shmoolik

    It is spelled ?????? so your pshat doesnt fit.

    #936700
    HaLeiVi
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    WIY, that doesn;t mean anything. It is conventional Yiddish spelling.

    We had in Shabbos 35, “???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?????”.

    Davi means to look. When Daniel Davened in Bavel he opened a window towards Yerushalayim. When we Daven, we look toward Hashem. This may be the origin of the word.

    Bentch however, might simply come from the German Vintsch, which is used in Yiddish often by Bentching someone. Literally, it means to wish. It is mostly used as in, to wish someone well.

    #936701
    lesschumras
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    Akuperma , we didn’t invent yiddish. During the middle ages the Polish kings gave refuge to Jews being expelled from the German states. The Jews, reflecting their German background, looked down on anything Slavic and refused to speak Polish. That is why Yiddish is largely based upon medieval German.

    #936702
    morahmom
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    I once heard it came from D’Avinan – like our fathers. When we call out to Hashem, we behave like our fathers.

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