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Hi,
What time is more popular – used by most people.
Gra & Baal Tanya or Magen Avraham?
Thanks,
Steve
Depends whether you are Chasidish or Litvish.
Chassidish–I prefer 11:00AM:)
I didn’t take a poll, but for krias Sh’ma, M’A; for sh’moneh esreh, Gr’a.
I would say to Daven as soon as you can.
By Netz, Lechatchila, Magen Avraham, Bedieved.
chatzos!!! duh!!!
yeshivish – early
yekkies- exactly on time
chassidim- late
Try to daven shachris before rabbeinu tam’s shkia.
I understand that some always daven “netz”- Noch Tzen
if you miss that, daven 2nd netz, “noch tzvelev”
3rd netz “noch tzvei”
I would say to Daven as soon as you can.
ShiraTobala:- This is exactly what I do. I almost always pray Mincho Gedolo, including Saturdays & Sundays.
Mostly, only Fridays doesn’t work out, bit even Fridays sometimes I also pray Mincho Gedolo.
question-
for a girl to say mincha is it better to say it after plag hamincha? like an hour nd a1/4 b4 shkia? cuz why x u say mincha like 1/2 hour after chatzos?
found another great halacha question!! what is the best time to daven????
This morning, 6:30 and 57 seconds was the ideal time to start sh’mona esrei. It changes every day.
(Btw, the time I gave is for Brooklyn because apparently that’s the center of the universe. It would vary for other places in the universe)
(Btw, the time I gave is for Brooklyn because apparently that’s the center of the universe. It would vary for other places in the universe)
Joke or not, HKB”H cries at something like this.
Are you talking about earliest times or latest times? Are you talking about someone who wants to sleep late, or someone who needs to get to work as soon as possible?
Krias Shema is d’oraysa; therefore, you should say it before the MA’s zman (safek d’oraisa, l’chumra). So ruled Rav Schach, Rav A. Kotler, the Steipler, and Rav Shlomo Zalmen Auerbach. Rav Schach missed the zman of the MA twice in his life, once when he was 9 years old, and the second time when he was much older, and wept hysterically!
As far as S”E is concerned, the aforementioned Rav Auerbach zatzal was particular to daven S”E before the zman of the M”A, and it is praiseworthy to do so.
In both cases, if you rely on the Gra/ Baal HaTanya, you are not a sinner.
Obviously it varies, but I think it’s safe to say that the general answer to the OP’s question is that using the Gra’s times is more popular. As you can see on this very thread, there are people who use M”A for chumra reasons sometimes. I think just about anyone admits that the Gra’s times are calculated in the more precise way than those of the M”A; it’s just a popular chumrah to satisfy all opinions on Biblical issues.
Since Sparkly reintroduced the question, I think we should note that women have more leeway with davening times than men do.
Meno, actually in the center of the Universe, it was 6:22 and 45 seconds or 6:35 exactly (my calendar gives 2 different times). To be accurate, it was probably slightly later, because my calendar is not for Yerushalayim, and someone explained to me that in Yerushalayim, shkiya is a drop later because of the mountains, so I assume netz also works that way.
Yehudayona: I saw in a sefer of Sheilas and Teshuvas of one of the contemporary Gedolim (either Rav Elyashiv zatzal or R’Shlomo Zalman zatzal or R’ Chaim Kavievsky, shlita, ybd”l) that someone asked him for the source of the “minhag” that women aren’t makpid to daven by zman tefila and just make sure to daven by chatzos. His response was: “I never heard of such a minhag.”
Lmaaseh, minhag haolam is that women are not makpid to daven by zman tefila, but there does not seem to be any real halachic reason for it.
I think it may have to do with the fact that women tend to be more meikel about davening in general since they have more things preventing them from davening combined with the fact that since there is an opinion in the Rishonim that women aren’t chayiv to daven, even though we don’t posken that way, there is what to be somech on b’eis hatzorech.
But there really does not seem to be a good reason for single girls to not be makpid on zman tefila.
Sparkly – to answer your question: Girls don’t have to worry about zman Krias Shema. They do have to daven by zman tefila.
Ideally, you are supposed to daven by one third of the day. The way that is calculated is by figuring out how much time there is between Netz and shkiya (it’s different every day), you take that amount and divide it by 3. For example, let’s say that netz is at 6:00 am and shkiya is at 6:00 pm. That means there are 12 hours between netz and shkiya. 12 divided by 3 is 4. So you add 4 hours to netz, and you get 10:00 and that would be the time you are supposed to daven by, l’chatchila.
HOWEVER, if you didn’t daven by then, you can daven by chatzos and that is most girls do. You can find chatzos by looking in any Jewish calendar that gives zmanim. You can also find it online, although I don’t know which websites are accurate – I’m sure there are others here who might know. If your calendar doesn’t give the time for chatzos, but it does give Netz and shkiya, you can calculate what halfway between them is.
Technically, according to the Mishna Berurah, you must finish shemona esrei by chatzos. The “minhag” amongst many girls is that it’s okay to start shemona esrei by chatzos. I am not sure of the source for that and I actually would like to find it if anyone knows if and where it exists.
If it is getting late and you don’t have so much time to daven, this is what you are chayiv in (as per R’Elyashiv): all of brachos and birchos hashachar, parshas hatamid, baruch sheamar, ashrei, yishtabach, the first sentence of Shema and if possible the first paragraph, Emes v’yatziv until ga’al yisrael, and shemona esrei. And then at Mincha time, you are chayiv to say shemona esrei. On Shabbos and Yomtov, you also have to say Nishmas.
btw, Meno, I appreciate your sense of humor. I think it provides a very positive and much needed contribution to the CR!
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