Why does Yishmael have 12 princes

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  • November 1, 2012 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #605631
    Torah613Torah
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    In Lech Lecha. Does it have to do with Shevatim?

    November 1, 2012 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #902019
    popa_bar_abba
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    They also have 12 Imams. That is probably also connected.

    November 1, 2012 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #902020
    Torah613Torah
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    PBA: That leaves like 1000 years before Mohammed unaccounted for. During which they were idol worshipers.

    So what happened to the passuk during that time?

    November 1, 2012 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #902021
    Rav Tuv
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    1000 years? from Yishmoel to mohammed is more like 2000 years.

    November 1, 2012 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #902022
    mosheemes2
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    Twelvers are, by definition, Shiites and are almost entirely Persian or other non-Yishmeaelite ethnicities.

    November 1, 2012 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #902023
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    To answer the original question, HaRav Avigdor Miller zt”l says that yes. The 12 do correspond to the 12 shevotim. This signifies that, as a son of Avrohom Ovinu, Yishmo’el could have gained some parallel to the shevotim, but didn’t. You can check it out in HaRav Miller’s sefer on Bereishis, “The Beginning”.

    November 1, 2012 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #902024
    Torah613Torah
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    B’shem amro: My partner in Torah asked me this question. I would really love an answer that makes sense.

    November 1, 2012 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #902025
    Torah613Torah
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    Goodbye – thank you so much! I am so excited to tell her that answer.

    November 2, 2012 9:53 am at 9:53 am #902026
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    you’re welcome!

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