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August 13, 2012 1:22 am at 1:22 am #604528YehudahTzviParticipant
May have been discussed before. Are they kosher or avoda zara? We have two that we took down and put in a drawer. One has Yud-kei-vav-kei and a shivisi on it and one has a blessing for business. I am quite the Litvak when it comes to things like this but if there is a mesorah to have them I will put them up. If not, shaimos?
August 13, 2012 1:34 am at 1:34 am #891296Sam2ParticipantPashtus is that it had pagan meaning long before any Jews used it, but many Tzaddikim and Mekubalim have been known to have endorsed them throughout the generations. This is one of those weird areas in Halachah where Nigleh and Nistar seem to overlap and be at strong odds with each other.
August 13, 2012 1:51 am at 1:51 am #891297shlishiMemberWell, then, perhaps you’re wrong about the “pashtus”, that there is any pre-Jewish pagan meaning for the same thing being discussed, and the many Tzaddikim and Mekubalim are right.
(Btw, there’s an old thread about this: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/hamsa )
August 13, 2012 1:54 am at 1:54 am #891298YehudahTzviParticipantSo, were I to ask a Rav (not a Rebbe) what would he advise? Keep, toss, donate, shaimos?
August 13, 2012 3:08 am at 3:08 am #891299Sam2ParticipantShlishi: It exists in Arab cultures, Indian (as in India) cultures, Native American cultures, and possibly more. Some of those go very, very far back. Jewish references, not so much. That doesn’t prove anything, but it does raise questions.
August 13, 2012 3:20 am at 3:20 am #891301CuriosityParticipantIf you ask a Sephardi Rav you can cover all your bases.
August 14, 2012 12:55 am at 12:55 am #891303YehudahTzviParticipantThread didn’t really help and the Mods deleted my last post (thanks guys!). The Hamsa, from what I have read online (so you know it’s true) seems to have its roots, or its equivalents in Paganism, Islam and Xtianity.
One the Hamsas I have has the Y-K-V-K – so I’m not sure what to do with it.
August 14, 2012 2:12 am at 2:12 am #891304apushatayidParticipantThats why you have a Rav.
August 14, 2012 5:16 am at 5:16 am #891305CuriosityParticipantYehudaTzvi, did you follow that link to the old thread that has a link to the Ben Ish Chai? He’s a pretty reliable person.
August 14, 2012 7:53 am at 7:53 am #891306YehudahTzviParticipantCuriosity: I would need it translated.
August 14, 2012 8:16 am at 8:16 am #891307CuriosityParticipantHe first quotes different psukim and gemaras that can be said if one is at risk of ayin hara, such as “ana mizar’ah d’Yosef kaatinah. Ben porat Yosef, ben porat aley ayin.” Then, he quotes the Chid”a that says the minhag haolam is to say “hamsa” to ward off ayin hara, and then he says that’s why the minhag is to hang a piece of wood shaped like a hand with five fingers with the letter “Hay” inscribed on it.
August 14, 2012 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #891308ItcheSrulikMemberBreak off one finger and it’s fine l’chol ha’deios.
August 14, 2012 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #891309YehudahTzviParticipantItcheSrulik: Seriously, or was that a joke?
August 14, 2012 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #891310YehudahTzviParticipantHowever, because the Hamsa has become something of a custom among Sephardi Jewry, and it is even mentioned by some Sepharic poskim (see Ben Ish Chai, Year 2, Pinchas 13), one should certainly not mention the matter to others. For an Ashkenazi, who has no custom in the matter, it is better to avoid its use.
There is no problem in keeping it at home.
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The Maharik further writes that the prohibition applies only where the issue is observed as a law (religiously), and not where the matter is optional. See, in this vein the Bach (348), Taz (Orach Chaim 311:4), and Shevet Yehudah (581:1).
Therefore, the practice cannot be said to be prohibited. Yet, based on the Torah instruction of Tamim Yihiyeh, these matters should preferably be avoided.”
This still doesn’t address my concern – should I put it in shaimos? Give it away or put it back in a drawer (again, it has the shem Hashem on it.
August 14, 2012 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #891311CuriosityParticipantYehuda Tzvi, on a side note, I read once (forgot where) that the red string is supposed to ward off ayin hara by resembling a worm and letting those who see it think of the wearer’s lowliness and prevent jealousy that causes ayin hara. If that’s the only reason it supposedly works then I don’t get it because nobody knows this interpretation of the red string.
In regards to your hamsa. I’m no posek, but it seems to me since it has Hashem’s name on it you can’t discard it without treating it as shaimos. If you really like how it looks, and have a huge desire to hang it up, from the sources you quoted it sounds like it’s mutar. Otherwise, why not just give it away to a nice Sphardi family who will make good use of it?
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