Hello99, DY, et al: Maskim?

No. See Kaf HaChaim 502:2 and Minchas Yitzchok 4:99.

Sam: “You’re assuming there’s no issue of Boneh either”

yitayningwut: can I surf the net on Yom Tov? Seriously, I don’t understand the machmirim. Molid is only assur (drabanan) because it is similar to a melacha. But on Yom Tov an outright melacha of havara is permitted by a davar hashave lchol nefesh, so kol shekain molid of havarah. Unless you say every molid is assur because of boneh since it’s like you’re building something new. Please ask the Rav exactly why molid is assur on shabbos.

Yitay: Wouldn’t Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbach agree(Minchas Shlomo siman 9,and 11 I think) except in the case of incandescent lights?

Yitay: I understand,all I am saying is it seems that according to Rav Shlomo Zalman electricity is not really a problem by lights and appliances if it doesnt warm up, he disproves makeh b’patish boneh and others as well. At the end of the day he holds we don’t do it because one will make a mistake with somthing that is assur.wouldn’t that be a concern here?

Yitay: I hear I was more focused on the electric aspect what is his shitta regarding shabbas and electricity,does he hold that there are any issurim? An electric switch is not really making a fire according to everyone,but it seems he holds it is muttar on the basis it is a mavier issue.

yitay: “I am sure you can see how one might argue with all of the points you made, and a posek who is a bar hachi has every right”

I never denied that. You asked if I am Maskim, and I explained why not. The bottom line is that his Heter is based on one of the ways of understanding a single Rishon. I don’t think he is relying on the Chida either. My intention was that one who follows this Kula has a Chida to rely upon.

“he stated no such blanket heter, which you unfairly imply”

I implied no such thing. I feel that permitting this under the common circumstances he mentioned is a huge Poretz Geder and would inevitably lead to people who see an apparently frum Yid do so to be Moreh Heter to be lenient even when it doesn’t apply.

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re the Kaf HaChaim, in a case that has another Tziruf there would be grounds to permit M’Ikar HaDin. However, as I mentioned, one must take into account how others will misconstrue this.

Yitayningwut,

Are you maskim that R’ Chaim Ozer assers?

I think he means plain molid, in which case, the heter is precluded.

Yitay: He holds using electricity is assur or it is more like what Rav Shlomo Zalaman held that is like a minhag not to ?

The key phrase, which the B’er Moshe points out was a mistake in the metzius, is:

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This is one reason why I thought R’ Chaim Ozer meant molid; I didn’t think the one with whom he is disagreeing thought that the fire itself existed (the main reason for my understanding is that he also says molid, not molid aish.)

I need more time to read the Bais Vaad for a more solidly grounded opinion.

Yitay: interesting,thank you.