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Where does the tradition to kiss a tzadik’s hand come from and when is it done? I’ve seen it by Chasidim, Sefardim, and sometimes by Litvaks.
I guess it’s showing your love for the kedusha from all the mitzvos and maa’sim tovim that those hands did. like some pple kiss the the ground when they land in E”Y.
I guess it’s showing your love for the kedusha from all the mitzvos and maa’sim tovim that those hands did.
I guess that’s just another sign that I’m totally wicked. Having never kissed the hand of a tzaddik (and having no desire to), I guess that means that I have no love for kedusha and mitzvos.
The Wolf
Wolf
It’s a shame that someone who reads the Torah in public is so cold inside. Nebach.
Wolf: do you have a persecution complex or something? 🙂
It’s a shame that someone who reads the Torah in public is so cold inside.
Cold? No.
Self-critical? Yes.
Someone who recognizes the truth about themselves? Absolutely.
Is that a shame? Perhaps.
Wolf: do you have a persecution complex or something? 🙂
No. I don’t believe I’ve ever stated or implied that anyone was persecuting me.
The Wolf
Forget kissing the hand of a tzadik. There’s this new fab that some bochurim do that after they shake your hand they kiss their own hand as if you have some holy powers or something and it’ll transform itself to him. Man that is annoying!
I don’t recall where I saw it, but I recall seeing in a sefer somewhere that kissing connects the person(‘s neshamah?) to the thing he is kissing. Kissing the hand in particular probably is more kovodig than kissing a cheek.
The Yavetz also brings down to kiss one’s mothers hand upon arriving home from shul friday night.
“I guess that’s just another sign that I’m totally wicked.”
Wolf- If you say so, You say so. the best person that knows you is yourself..lol:)
sushe
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“Is this common in the Litvish velt?”
anyone with the name ‘sushe’ doesn’t do it.
I guess that’s just another sign that I’m totally wicked. Having never kissed the hand of a tzaddik (and having no desire to), I guess that means that I have no love for kedusha and mitzvos.
do you kiss your tzitzis by shema
do you kiss your tzitzis by shema
Sometimes.
I’m guessing this guy doesn’t kiss anything that he doesn’t have a taiva for…
How many people do you know who kiss things they don’t enjoy?
prehaps he is correct in his self analysis.
Yes, I am.
The Wolf
Wolfish
It’s very nice that you think you know yourself however if you honestly feel that there’s room for growth get down to business and take care of it. This isn’t a confession booth and we don’t do that in our religion. If you want to change get a Shaarei Teshuvah of the Rabbeinu Yona and learn through it and try to apply it. Coming here and putting yourself down is self deception.
why do you sign almost all your post with
“The Wolf”? what are you trying to get accross?
“Yes, I am.”
can you prove that to us?
‘How many people do you know who kiss things they don’t enjoy?’
OneOfMany…lol
WIY
Member
Wolfish
“It’s very nice that you think you know yourself however if you honestly feel that there’s room for growth get down to business and take care of it. This isn’t a confession booth and we don’t do that in our religion. If you want to change get a Shaarei Teshuvah of the Rabbeinu Yona and learn through it and try to apply it. Coming here and putting yourself down is self deception. “
not only do we hve MO pple here, we’ve got Christian converts too…lol
why do you sign almost all your post with
“The Wolf”? what are you trying to get accross?
Just a habit. I’ve been active on online message boards for over a dozen years now and I *always* sign my name.
There’s no other message.
“Yes, I am.”
can you prove that to us?
You mean aside from the fact that I (according to various shittos) am a mechallel Shabbos, an apikores, a moser, worship Avoda Zara, eat tarfus and am not eligible for a minyan?
The Wolf
This isn’t a confession booth and we don’t do that in our religion.
In Catholicism, they do that for absolution. I am not seeking absolution as I know that there is no absolution possible for one such as me.
The Wolf
not only do we hve MO pple here, we’ve got Christian converts too…lol
I am NOT a Christian. It’s bad enough that I am what I am. Don’t make it worse by accusing me of things that are NOT true.
Even if you are allowed to say lashon harah about one such as me, I highly doubt that you’re allowed to actively spread lies about me.
The Wolf
Um…what?
“Just a habit. I’ve been active on online message boards for over a dozen years now and I *always* sign my name.”
why don’t you change that to “over a thousand years now”, it would have the same meaning, no?
“You mean aside from the fact that I (according to various shittos) am a mechallel Shabbos, an apikores, a moser, worship Avoda Zara, eat tarfus and am not eligible for a minyan?”
when moshiach comes the gemora says somewhere, that wolves will play with lambs…lol, look yeridos hadores is a sign of the times…lol:)
the wolf is a non-kosher animal. call yourself ‘the sheep’. it will have a positive effect on your character.
“You mean aside from the fact that I (according to various shittos) am a mechallel Shabbos, an apikores, a moser, worship Avoda Zara, eat tarfus and am not eligible for a minyan”
is that list also Just habbitS??
I guess when you sign The Wolf- that is really OneOfMany other ‘habitS’..lol:)
why don’t you change that to “over a thousand years now”, it would have the same meaning, no?
I have no idea what you mean by this.
the wolf is a non-kosher animal. call yourself ‘the sheep’. it will have a positive effect on your character.
Sorry. My name is my name.
is that list also Just habbitS??
I have no idea what you mean by this either.
The Wolf
Wolf
I don’t know what you have or haven’t done in your life. However I’m sure many of the Baalei Teshuvah and Geirim that we have today have done a lot worse. Many of done 2 of the 3 chamuros. Hashem accepts sincere Teshuvah from anyone. Hashem loves you even if you have sinned greatly. The yetzer tries knocking us down and telling us that we are lost and we have no hope. He is a big liar it’s what he does best. Don’t believe it for a second. If it were true that one can’t do Teshuvah he wouldn’t try so hard to put us down and make us think we are hopeless. He doesn’t like losing customers.
more: Is Sushe not a litvish name?
‘I have no idea what you mean by this.”
you said the wolf is just a ‘habbbbit’, but it seams to be OneOfMany other ‘habits’, given your confession list.
This thread is meant to discuss Kissing a Tzaddik’s Hand, meanwhile you’re discussing lost sheeps in wolf’s clothes, and Christian confession rituals LOL.
Sorry for staying on topic, but there’s a choshuv Sefardi rov that won’t let anyone kiss his hand. My friends have quoted him saying that the reason one kisses a tzaddiks hand is because of the kedusha in them from writing seforim. This particular rov never wrote a sefer, hence he never lets anyone kiss his hand.
Rav. Ovadia Yosef Shlita brings down that the hand of a Rav has Kedusha from writing his droshas and therefore it is customary to kiss his hand on the way out of Shul. It’s in the Halachot of Shabbat I don’t remember where exactly. It also mentions kissing your mother/father’s hand after the blessing of the children. The mother is especially important because Friday night is all about the Shabbos Queen etc.
you said the wolf is just a ‘habbbbit’, but it seams to be OneOfMany other ‘habits’, given your confession list.
What you are is not a habit.
The Wolf
Wolf: He’s a troll (by his own admission).
WolfishMusings
The Wolf
you said the wolf is just a ‘habbbbit’, but it seams to be OneOfMany other ‘habits’, given your confession list.
“What you are is not a habit.”
A person for example that bites his nails, picks his nose, etc ect, is called a “nail biter” and a “nose picker”, they are called that based on their habits. and when you have toooooooo many usernames I’d call that habits too. the username indicaates what you are, so it’s all connected..lol
and when you have toooooooo many usernames I’d call that habits too.
Are you making an accusation? Because I will tell you now that on these boards, I have one and only one username.
The Wolf
@ lemonysnicket:
don’t know who you’ve seen doing that but its not a new thing. Persians do this as a sign of respect, generally after shaking an elder’s hand, or after shaking a Kohen’s hand, etc. it’s not meant to be cool – its a respectful gesture from a culture where men kiss on the cheek in greeting, and an elderly person (not just a gadol, but anyone who is elderly and respected) is kissed on the forehead and hand.
“Forget kissing the hand of a tzadik. There’s this new fab that some bochurim do that after they shake your hand they kiss their own hand as if you have some holy powers or something and it’ll transform itself to him. Man that is annoying!”
LemonySnicket- This is definatly NOT a new fab.It’s exactly what essy8 said. It is a sign of respect. It is not only done by the Persians but by the Sephardim in general.
i love coffee: It is not only done by the Persians but by the Sephardim in general.
Most sephardim do not do this. While I have seen persians and some morrocans doing this, I would definitely NOT say that this is the general custom of Sephardim.
From “The Godfather”.
Iraqis do it, but they may have only started with the ben Ish Chai. I’m not an expert but I know that some minhagim started under him. I don’t think ashkenazim did it before very recent times because in Christian countries there would be no hava amina to do it since it was chukas hagoy.
The word in this context is FAD not fab. Although fab is probably short for fabulous the word you mean to use is fad. Now you can sound smarter. Carry on.
WolfishMusings
The Wolf
“and when you have toooooooo many usernames I’d call that habits too.”
Are you making an accusation? Because I will tell you now that on these boards, I have one and only one username.
The Wolf “
Where do the accusations come in the picture????lol, you seem a shtickle too defensive with the mention of it, though…. lol;)
the truth is, I am rather certain that your usename belong’s to OneOfMany’s though…I couldn’t really care less if you do or don’t have multiple users, it’s not my concern… it’s just abit cute how you hve a ‘personality’ for each one of them although they all back each other up at the best of times, along with a couple of other obvious pointers…lol;)
the truth is, I am rather certain that your usename belong’s to OneOfMany’s though
I am willing to swear to you that I am not OneofMany. And then you may execute me since you obviously will believe that I have made a false oath and taken the name of HKBH in vain, even though that is not the case.
The Wolf
Kissing someone’s hand is a sign of respect. I remember seeing my father always kiss his father’s hand when we would leave his house. My father never had us do it, but it made an impression on me seeing my father’s respect for his father. He and my mother also used to talk to him in 3rd person i.e. Does the Tatte want a drink of water?
Um…we’re not the same person. I’m not even sure why you think that. You don’t have to take our word for it, though – I’m sure the mods could tell you as much.
Wolf is OneOfMany? Ha!
Um…we’re not the same person. I’m not even sure why you think that. You don’t have to take our word for it, though – I’m sure the mods could tell you as much.
It doesn’t matter. Considering the fact that I’ve already admitted to much larger sins, there’s no reason the poster wouldn’t think that I’m also lying as well.
The Wolf
Wolf
I believe that you arent oneofmany however I dont believe that you wouldn’t lie, you lied about talking during krias haTorah since you don’t, saying that you do is lying and you have said that many times. Or do you get to decide what is and isn’t a lie?
you lied about talking during krias haTorah since you don’t
We can quibble about whether or not the *content* of my speech during Krias HaTorah is permitted or not, but it is an indisputable fact that I regularly *do* talk during Krias HaTorah. That is NOT a lie.
The Wolf
Well, we’d both have to be lying for this allegation to be true. And I’m not. (And I don’t talk during krias haTorah.)
Wolf
Lol ok. I hear you.
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