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Anyone know of a decent online version? I can’t find it on bar ilan, and the one on hebrewbooks is terrible
I think Wikisource and Daat have it.
or you meant R’Yisrael http://daat.ac.il/daat/mahshevt/mahadurot/igeret-2.htm
Did you try wikisource?
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copyrights?
Pba,
You’re welcome (although for naught, I guess).
The formatting and layout (of the printed version) are also copyrighted, not just the perush. The fact that you own a copy, though, would probably be a reason for it to be ok.
The formatting and layout (of the printed version) are also copyrighted
I’m not familiar with this edition. Is there something special about the formatting or layout to make it eligible for a copyright?
I’m not familiar with it either. Assuming they didn’t merely use a photo offset of a non-copyrighted edition, I believe they would hold the rights to the layout, even without rights to the content.
Yeh but I don’t own the book.
Yeh but I don’t own the book.
So don’t copy it, but the text is not copyrighted, and if someone put it up on a public website (such as Hebrewbooks.org) you can print and copy that one.
Assuming they didn’t merely use a photo offset of a non-copyrighted edition, I believe they would hold the rights to the layout, even without rights to the content.
The layout is only protected by copyright if the layout itself is “Intellectual Property”.
The layout is only protected by copyright if the layout itself is “Intellectual Property”.
What determines that?
What determines that?
Usually a judge, But I’ll give my opinion about 3 seform I have nearby:
Artscroll Interlinear Siddur – IP in layout (That’s my interpertation of the law, personally I’d leave out the “I” in “IP”)
Oz VeHehadar Gemorah – IP in layout, but most of it is already in the public domain (being newly typeset has no affect)
Beis HaLevi (Mishor) – No IP in layout
(being newly typeset has no affect)
Why aren’t their hundreds of hours invested in a new typeset protected?
Why aren’t their hundreds of hours invested in a new typeset protected?
Copyright law only deals with new intelectual property. Regardless of how great the investment is, if no new intelectual property is created there is nothing to be protected.
Dash,
So according to copyright law (I’m not discussing halacha now), one would be allowed to photocopy a Hebrew Artscroll siddur, but not the English, or the halacha section of it?
I think it would be covered by copyright. They decribe their layout as having “clear instuctions, copious subtitles, and precise page headings”. If these elements are original than the layout can be covered by copyright.
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