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October 27, 2011 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #600215☕️coffee addictParticipant
I work as a mashgiach (as you probably know) and am constantly worried that I’m not checking the fruit & vegetables properly. I’m washing it properly, however due to the fact that I’m a recent mashgiach I usually think I don’t know what I’m looking for so since I can’t find what I think is a bug I give it a pass and say it’s kosher.
Is this healthy?
(I’m talking about my work, not people’s eating habits)
October 28, 2011 12:45 am at 12:45 am #822455shmoelMemberPlease let us all know which establishment this is, so we should avoid eating from it.
October 28, 2011 1:03 am at 1:03 am #822456Sam2ParticipantThat is absolutely rude shmoel. If you don’t see a bug then you have done exactly what you should. You should be very scared and therefore make sure you check properly. But once you have properly checked you should feel confident that you did exactly what was required of you.
October 28, 2011 1:11 am at 1:11 am #822457Josh31ParticipantThis warning is from Gitten 57, the Gemara we learn on 9 Av. There the warning is be fearful of hard line actions against your fellow Jew, or inappropriate piety that can lead to Destruction.
October 28, 2011 1:25 am at 1:25 am #822458shmoelMemberSam: It was a joke.
October 28, 2011 1:31 am at 1:31 am #822459☕️coffee addictParticipantSam,
but what if I’m not sure if I see bugs or dirt and I say it’s kosher because I think it’s dirt?
josh,
and therefore?
October 28, 2011 1:50 am at 1:50 am #822460☕️coffee addictParticipantshmoel,
I didn’t take it that way and just decided to ignore that comment (as you see i didn’t reply to you, specifically)
October 28, 2011 2:16 am at 2:16 am #822461deiyezoogerMemberCoffee since you are always concernd that makes you a good mashgiach. Its the overconfident mashgichim that are problematic.
October 28, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am #822462JotharMemberIf you did your due diligence, then there’s nothing to worry about. Lo nitna hatorah lemalachei hashereis. As long as to a trained eye it’s not a bug, then halachically it’s not a bug.
October 28, 2011 2:49 am at 2:49 am #822463ajkParticipantthere are many videos available on CD/DVD and online showing how to check and more importantly what to check for in various types of fruit and vegetables.
On a side note I’ve been extensively involved with a well known kashrus org and it was suggested (ie: i suggested) to them many times that they train food service mashgichim the same way they train industrial mashgichim and the unfortunately to date not much has been done
October 28, 2011 2:50 am at 2:50 am #822464JotharMemberAlso mods, please change the title to mefacheid tamid- meing mefaked tamid means you are commanding all the time.
October 28, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #822465TheGoqParticipantInteresting that shmoel rhymes with troll.
October 28, 2011 4:38 am at 4:38 am #822466ZeesKiteParticipantCould the word be Mefachaid?
October 28, 2011 8:20 am at 8:20 am #822467☕️coffee addictParticipantSorry, its mifacheid.
Deiy,
Yes but me being concerned doesn’t change anything
Jothar,
That’s the problem I’m worried I’m not a trained eye as much as I should be
October 28, 2011 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #822468Sam2ParticipantCA: If you have an honest doubt then it’s a problem. If you honestly doubt it too often then you may need to consider getting a different job or undergoing more training. But most organizations give guidelines and as long as you follow the guidelines of whatever your organization tells you (I’m assuming it’s a good organization) then you’re fine.
October 28, 2011 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #822469☕️coffee addictParticipantSam2,
Do you have one for me (I’ve been considering it)
And I can’t undergo more training, the one who trained me is just as busy as I am
October 28, 2011 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #822470ItcheSrulikMemberjosh: It’s in brachos too. Rashi says that it’s referring to someone who is always scared of forgetting his Torah and reviews constantly.
October 28, 2011 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #822471littleappleMemberThere are instructional material online OU ChofK and Star-K sites and Chof K put out a color pamphlet with pics of thrips, leafminers, and aphids or just google those three to see pics online. Also Rav Vaye’s sefer has many photos and a guide to each type of fruit and veggie, very helpful.
October 28, 2011 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #822472Sam2ParticipantCA: Ask whoever is in charge of the Kashrus place that you work for whose standards they use. Most places like the Star-K have pretty detailed websites explaining what you have to worry about and what you don’t.
A bit of practical advice that I have found: When you have black dots that you’re not positive about, try and catch it on your fingertip. It’s much harder to tell when it’s wet, so let it dry out there then hold it up and look at it into the light. You’ll usually be able to tell if it’s a bug or not once it’s dried out.
October 28, 2011 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #822473littleappleMemberAnother idea I suggest is go to a Fruit/Veg. Store and buy low grade stuff, Romaine, scallions, etc. Perhaps the place you work is using a high grade that is coming in quite clean to begin with. Hatzlacha in your avodas hakodesh.
October 28, 2011 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #822474Sam2ParticipantI’m sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion. Why would you get worse stuff? The goal is not to find bugs, it’s to make sure the food has no bugs. Buying low-grade stuff just increases the chances that a bug gets past you.
October 28, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #822475☕️coffee addictParticipantSam2,
Lol little apple is saying practice by using low grade stuff (which is an interesting idea, I just need to buy my own light box) and get acquainted with the bugs
So the type of stuff I should get should be of the organic variety, right?
October 28, 2011 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #822476HaLeiViParticipantWere you not trained in with live examples?
October 28, 2011 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #822477☕️coffee addictParticipantYes I was, but I’m more of a hands on person,
I like to find the bugs myself and be told if I’m correct then just shown the bugs
October 29, 2011 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #822478usa-tralianParticipantHaving worked as a mashgiach in a number of Pesach hotels, the best way to identify bugs (in my experience) best option is a magnifying glass with a strong light, or else looking in a well lit area on a clean white surface. The first thing you can see is appendages – legs or feelers etc. Just a little note from experience. Hatzlocha!
October 30, 2011 1:45 am at 1:45 am #822479☕️coffee addictParticipantThanks,
I wish I could pick what space I want to be in when I work
October 30, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am #822480JotharMemberCorner vegetable stores have lots of cheap produce, filled with aphids and thrips.
October 30, 2011 4:54 am at 4:54 am #822481Sam2ParticipantUsa-tralian: If it is only identifiable as an insect by use of a magnifying glass and only looks like a speck of dirt to the naked eye then according to most (maybe even all) opinions it’s not Assur. You should definitely ask a Shaila before ever using a magnifying glass.
October 30, 2011 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #822482JotharMemberSam2, it’s a machlokes between the Tchebiner Rav and the Chazon Ish, Chazon ish says if you see a speck but a magnifying glass shows it’s a bug, it’s a bug. Tchebiner holds like you. As always, ask your LOR.
October 31, 2011 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #822483☕️coffee addictParticipantBh I’ve started seeing bugs,
And yes the vaad says if can see in magnifying glass than its a bug
October 31, 2011 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #822484Sam2ParticipantI’m just curious, how strong does the magnifying glass have to be?
October 31, 2011 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #822485☕️coffee addictParticipantHe used a loop lens
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